Is it possible to save from self -destruction?

Yakov Krotov : Today, our father Evgeny Piskarev , a psychologist, a priest, a person by the family of his activities, working with people who balancing on the verge of self -destruction, and sometimes trying to step over this line.

What is self -destruction? Is it possible to save a person from self -destruction? Is there a difference between self -destruction and fall? Or is it quite possible to replace the heavy verbal "fall" with "self -destruction"?

Evgeny Piskarev : I would like to return to the etymology of the word "fall." Sin is an error, a mistake, by, not the same, some kind of lapsus made. A real dialogue is always resonant, in general, life is resonant. But sometimes death is resonant. People are delayed in pathological behavior. People are flirting, hug, enter a state of illness and do not want to get out of it.

Yakov Krotov : In this phrase there were immediately four return verb.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, for there is consent.

Yakov Krotov : Whose?

Evgeny Piskarev : An internal, I think, is a completely unconscious soul. This is a kind of amin of death, Amen self -destruction.

Yakov Krotov : What, death asks me - do I want her?

Evgeny Piskarev : To some extent, we express consent to our behavior. Entering certain relations, say, not very sincere, we doom ourselves to a rather false life and the natural result of this life.

Yakov Krotov : What is an egg or a chicken at first? Why does a person take a fake note in communication? The baby does not do that.

Evgeny Piskarev : Sometimes babies do.

Yakov Krotov : Great?!

Evgeny Piskarev : Breast. Here is a heart -rending cry from pain.

Yakov Krotov : What is false here? This is a good thing.

Evgeny Piskarev : Here is a manipulation of a mother. It happens that a person will say everything correctly, but such an intonation ...

Yakov Krotov : official.

Evgeny Piskarev : Let's just say - Lord have mercy. In general, this is an imperative mood.

Yakov Krotov : Is there a separate -ascending inclination?

Evgeny Piskarev : No. Probably, in some languages there are.

Yakov Krotov : I have to say "please" so that it is clear that I am God -starred.

Evgeny Piskarev : No, this is linguistic. The diagnosis of requests is made by intonation. The point is that we determine whether they want manipulations from us, whether we are manipulated by us or are they really asked only by intonational characteristics.

Yakov Krotov : Here I am before God as a newborn child in front of Mother. God has no language. God is above words.

Evgeny Piskarev : There is a language. What language! He is above ours.

Yakov Krotov : Yes. I do not know the language of God. I feel bad. Here is a child. He is hungry. Or he lies in impurity. He cannot say: "Dear mother" ...

Evgeny Piskarev : And this will not be true. How he will cry. We always cry to someone. Just crying - this is the loss of contact. This is a sign of loneliness. I pay my mother that I feel bad. In fact, I appeal to her - pay attention to me.

Yakov Krotov : So is this a manipulation?

Evgeny Piskarev : Sometimes it is a manipulation. Because there is such a cry!

Yakov Krotov : What is self -destruction? I would formulate for myself and for contemporaries that one of the signs of self -destruction for us, people of modern civilization, is not to cry. When grief, pain and suffering ...

Evgeny Piskarev : To keep in yourself?

Yakov Krotov : It looks like asceticism - a person holds in himself.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, but this is not asceticism.

Yakov Krotov : Is this antiascalism?

Evgeny Piskarev : I hold the style, I keep my shape.

Yakov Krotov : And burst. The call is Lopny, but holding the style - is this a call for self -destruction?

Evgeny Piskarev : In fact - yes. This is a call to the scissors. This is unnatural because Christ suffered.

Yakov Krotov : And this sang Utesov in 1938 - a lot of cleaning!

Evgeny Piskarev : So what?

Yakov Krotov : You’re crying out, but hold the style.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, but what? And is that sample?

Yakov Krotov : No. This is me to the fact that each ideal has its own parody.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, I agree.

Yakov Krotov : But this is a creative ideal. And there is self -destruction. The person thinks that he is Sergius of Radonezh, if he does not cry.

Evgeny Piskarev : I don't know what he thinks. Firstly, there is - how to react to me. They educate: "You are a man - do not cry, that Nyuni dissolved." There are certain expectations that our environment presented to us.

Yakov Krotov : It is self -destructive to follow other people's expectations. You turn into a puppet.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes.

Yakov Krotov : This is a flight from reality.

Evgeny Piskarev : Good. And if I fulfill the commandment of God, am I a puppet too?

Yakov Krotov : No!

Evgeny Piskarev : If I speak from the heart, from the heart?! If I express my consent?

Yakov Krotov : The commandment of God can also be performed creatively, creatively, or you can self -destructively.

Evgeny Piskarev : Make a fool to pray to God, he will break his forehead.

Yakov Krotov : This is a simple case.

Evgeny Piskarev : Judas also realized that he had shed the blood unsnowed. And then what?

Yakov Krotov : So, the good news is the existence of two suicides. Formally, the Lord Jesus Christ is the suicide, because when he, as he said in the Gospel, went to Jerusalem, the disciples said to him - stand!

Evgeny Piskarev : get away from me, Satan?!

Yakov Krotov : Yes, step away! I go how to fulfill myself.

Evgeny Piskarev : It is! For Christ knew what he was going on, believed in it.

Yakov Krotov : Didn't I know Judas?

Evgeny Piskarev : I believe that he had a different knowledge. There is an opinion that Judas is a second person after Christ.

Yakov Krotov : It seems to me that this is all a very primitive and vulgar understanding of the feat and the meaning of life. The Savior had a queue of those who wanted to betray. He would be arrested anyway. By the way, the whole story with Judah is excessive in that sense. It is indicatively excessive. A person goes for self -destruction. And he thinks that this is because those around me forced me. Judas probably thought that the circumstances were like that.

Evgeny Piskarev : We do not know about Judas. About suicide. This scenario of the victim, that I am a victim, forced me or something else, sounds brightly. But I want to say that the most terrible predators in life are victims. Why? Because they have a moral right to do others badly. What commandment of Christ? Go with others the way you want to do with you. The commandment of the devil is different. She is similar. Do with others as they do with you. What do we embody - this fallen reality or ideal that we strive for, to which our soul strives? We are all the image and likeness of God! I think that suicides just forget about it, on the one hand. On the other hand, suicides are alone in the face of their problem. Yes, perhaps because they keep experiences in themselves. This is the first. I'm talking about suicide children now. Parents did not support.

Yakov Krotov : Suicide, in general, an infantile act. Children in strictly do not end suicide. Suicide arises when an infantile beginning is formed.

Evgeny Piskarev : This is some kind of delay in development.

Yakov Krotov : Not quite a delay, imitation of childhood. The childhood is already over, and a person is trying to simulate.

Evgeny Piskarev : A person did not find himself in life.

Yakov Krotov : And this is self -destruction, because you either build ...

Evgeny Piskarev : There is such a concept - a person is untimely.

Yakov Krotov : And in the Bible it is said - the time is favorable, now is the day of salvation, that is, get in the leg with God!

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes. Feel this time of salvation and put it with God. But these are beautiful words. How to do it?

Yakov Krotov : The example of Chekhov shows that he combined three hypostasis - a patient, a doctor and a writer. Moreover, he denied that he was sick. And he denied that he was a writer. He wanted to be a doctor. And it turned out to be self -destruction. If he nevertheless admitted that he was sick, he would live until 1937. He would be calmly shot.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, the forecast is good.

Yakov Krotov : His sister died in 1957.

Evgeny Piskarev : He did not recognize himself, was not critical of his illness.

Yakov Krotov : But this is self -destruction.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes! And his trip to Sakhalin self -destruction. And his behavior in Europe and a visit to evil places?

Yakov Krotov : He noted that after each golden place, his creative activity improves. But the pair of Gumilev and Akhmatova. If we return to our topic, neither Gumilev nor Akhmatov were distinguished by the desire for self -destruction. These were normal Russian people. And here is the son. He had it - a self -destructive beginning. He had an excuse. He went through a concentration camp.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, and he survived there.

Yakov Krotov: But I knew and know different people who went through a concentration camp. Nine out of ten collapsed and continued to make self -destroy. And they got into the concentration camp because there was already self -destruction.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, it was a natural continuation of this line.

Yakov Krotov : But one out of ten suddenly floated. He got rid of self -destruction. Not because the prison had a favorable effect. And because suddenly! Suddenly. Peter also betrays. And suddenly the rooster led ...

Evgeny Piskarev : And he realized. He returned to reality. Often thoughts and actions are a flight from reality. The cry of the rooster returned Peter to reality. He felt that everything was going on this plan. This is reality. Christ was telling the truth.

Yakov Krotov : Peter denied his ability to kill Christ.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes!

Yakov Krotov : And in vain. This ability is in any person.

Evgeny Piskarev : I agree. He did not believe Christ at that moment. He did not recognize him for Christ, for God.

Yakov Krotov : That is, when Adam performs a fall when Adam and Eve want to be like the gods, they deny not that they are mortals (they were not mortals at that moment yet), they deny the ability to kill. And this is more important then in a person. The fact that I am mortal is unimportant. It is important that I can take the life of another that I am capable of destruction.

Evgeny Piskarev : Under the guise of good! There is a substitution. Not just capable of killing, but this is not realized. This is canned as good, as an act of knowledge.

Yakov Krotov : The whole famous story with Abraham and Isaac ... I am deeply convinced that Abraham was walking with a clear conscience. He deeply believed that God would make him another son of stone, from something else. He was ready to slaughter Isaac and commit an act of destruction. And by this he would destroy himself. I think that the whole meaning of this revelation to Abraham - look, you cannot kill, because it is self -destructive! ..

Evgeny Piskarev : And at first there was a word.

Yakov Krotov : It was a test. God sometimes says that I must refuse.

Evgeny Piskarev : It's high. I'm simpler. It is important - I agree with God or disagree. I am about very specific things - about self -assholed children who do not want to live, who run away from reality.

Yakov Krotov : What range is 8-15?

Evgeny Piskarev : In my practice, the earliest child, boy Saucid is 7 years old, and in status up to 15 years. Unfortunately, we do not have full rehabilitation.

Yakov Krotov : Is it possible?

Evgeny Piskarev : I have been working since 2002 in a Filatov hospital. And the number of repeated suicides decreased. I don’t know if this is connected with us, but it is so arranged that we have a psychologist in the hospital every day. Sometimes a mentally ill child can drink alcohol. Of course, when the children get very drunk that they get to our department ...

Yakov Krotov : It seems to me that this is not self -destruction.

Evgeny Piskarev : Why?!

Yakov Krotov : This is a pathology. It is someone from the inside that destroys a person - a disease, spirit.

Evgeny Piskarev : What does someone mean?!

Yakov Krotov : Up to 15 years, a person is still a minor. In this sense, he cannot make self -destruction. He is not yet.

Evgeny Piskarev : I agree. But in many ways, child suicide is manipulative.

Yakov Krotov : Yes.

Evgeny Piskarev : This is a problem in the family.

Yakov Krotov : The guy who runs out of the house, he leads the same self -destructive script, like the one that the tablets eat.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, but he runs to romance.

Yakov Krotov : No, he runs from his parents.

Evgeny Piskarev : To romance.

Yakov Krotov : And we can say that there are two scenarios of destruction - male and female. A man runs - you don’t understand me, and the girl is poisoning - you don't love me?

Evgeny Piskarev : In principle, the adoption of chemicals is a more feminine way, more infantile, lighter.

Yakov Krotov : Theodosius of Pechersky runs from the parental house, and then his mother exposes for weeks on the threshold of the monastery, begging to return.

Evgeny Piskarev : For God's sake! He had a goal. What is the goal of these people?

Yakov Krotov : Could he be deceived?

Evgeny Piskarev : Could. It is important to devote your life to something. Samobyans did not find what to devote themselves to. They did not find their type of lesson or found some kind of surrogate.

Yakov Krotov : I will tell you about children softer. Children were repulsed of interest.

Evgeny Piskarev : Maybe so.

Yakov Krotov : I think this is one of the mechanisms for the transmission of the fall.

Evgeny Piskarev : Perhaps.

Yakov Krotov : There is also a different type of self -destruction, except for the destruction of a single -haired one, there is also destruction with five talents. When a person can escape from his parents to the presidential administration, he can escape to great writers. How many Soviet writers were mediocre! Careerism. Is this a self -destructive scenario?

Evgeny Piskarev : In Master and Margarita, this is shown.

Yakov Krotov : A homeless person in Bulgakov, a bad writer destroys the house that he should build.

Evgeny Piskarev : But he repents later.

Yakov Krotov : He becomes a historian. And I am deeply satisfied that from the point of view of Bulgakov, the historian is good. Let us return to the homelessness of people who live in palaces. The Bible usually does not expose the children who commit suicides, nor the poor, that is, people who self -disgraced to bumying, sorry for the people who have come down from the highway. Who does the wrath of God collapse? On the rich, on the kings, because they also self -destroyed doubly. They, destroying themselves, destroy others.

Evgeny Piskarev : Take developed countries in the number of suicides. They go ahead.

Yakov Krotov : For example, during the war there is a mobilization of the body. People get little sick. But this does not mean - let's fight and cancel healthcare, we will save money. During the war there are fewer suicides and higher demography. But this is an animal reaction.

Evgeny Piskarev : I agree.

Yakov Krotov : Maybe that in the West is not much, but higher the percentage of suicides ...

Evgeny Piskarev : We know how much we know, therefore we are not very published.

Yakov Krotov : We have higher the percentage of self -destruction, because it does not pass in the column "suicide", but in the column "heart disease". These are stretched self -destruction.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, alcoholization, narcotization.

Yakov Krotov : And careerism.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, careerism too.

Yakov Krotov : Orientation on success. But this is Satanism!

Evgeny Piskarev : From this point of view, we can say whether Christ was successful? Christ did not go to the Mercedes and even horses. Basically, he walked on foot.

Yakov Krotov : I think this is still a metaphor. The Savior was a poetic man. We know that he spent the night with Peter, or rather in the house of Peter's mother -in -law. He scared.

Evgeny Piskarev : He did not scare. I think that he did not have private property. Our attachment to these gadgets and so on, we identify, connect in dead matter. With whom you will lead - from that you will be in.

Yakov Krotov : What will you lead with? Satan is who or what?

Evgeny Piskarev : I think that he claims to be someone, but he really is still what. Yes, and what is not, and this is not.

Yakov Krotov : Nothing.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes.

Yakov Krotov : If a person is really an image of the likeness of God, then the process of self -destruction of a person should be endless. The infinite is destroyed endlessly.

Evgeny Piskarev : As there is assimilation and dissimilation. Thus, the unnecessary is erupting.

Yakov Krotov : I am to the fact that the suicides are trying in vain. A person cannot commit suicide. A person will always fall forever.

Evgeny Piskarev : You want to say that they choose the immortal death of eternal?

Yakov Krotov : I hope they make just such a choice. But I really hope that God meets and saves them.

Evgeny Piskarev : Let's see if we succeed. Of course, this is noble, but I do not know. It is important to stay still within the framework.

Yakov Krotov : What about the infinite mercy of God?

Evgeny Piskarev : surpasses everything, all sins. It is important - do we open to mercy? After all, how is it? First justice. This is supposed to be this, that is, bring in line.

Yakov Krotov : This is teenage spirituality.

Evgeny Piskarev : No, this is a secular spirituality. And mercy is possible only after justice. If mercy goes to justice, then the lawmakers are brought up so.

Yakov Krotov : Militarism is not because the child was taken apart in childhood. Militarism is playing out on other humiliations that you endured in childhood.

Evgeny Piskarev : Yes, yes.

Yakov Krotov : Self -destruction is not a problem. The problem of self -destruction is tightening. Hitler began the war. It was suicide. The Germans were shocked. No one believed that he would begin the war. The whole General Staff knew that this was a hopeless war.

Evgeny Piskarev : Nevertheless, he went to it.

Yakov Krotov : Everyone understood that this was a dead end. For Hitler, it was to play offense.

Evgeny Piskarev : As far as I know, Hitler had real cases of imperfect suicide.

Yakov Krotov : Is there national self -destruction?

Evgeny Piskarev : It happens. Anger seems everywhere. This is such a paranoia. The thing is that this paranoia can rally people, mobilize.

Yakov Krotov : Group self -destruction. А человек понимает, что это саморазрушительно?

Евгений Пискарев : А кто про это скажет?

Яков Кротов : Говорят.

Евгений Пискарев : А кто услышит?

Яков Кротов : Идет самооправдывающееся пророчество. Если я сказал себе, что вокруг враги и бросился на окружающих. Окружающие меня крепко держат. Так, значит, он враги.

Евгений Пискарев : Да, не критичность к себе. Кстати, бросился на других - это нарушил границу.

Яков Кротов : Так этот человек говорит, что других нет, другие - это часть меня.

Евгений Пискарев : Государство - это я.

Яков Кротов : Чужое государство - это тоже я.

Евгений Пискарев : Крым наш.

Яков Кротов : Это обреченные люди? Это обреченная нация? Или все-таки есть надежда?

Евгений Пискарев : Надежда есть всегда. Пока жизнь продолжается, надежда есть. После смерти с этим проблема.

Яков Кротов : Может ли саморазрушающейся личности или народу помочь несчастье?

Евгений Пискарев : Есть упоение в бою. Есть в смерти упоение.

Яков Кротов : Пробиться можно? Отвечать добром на зло? How?

Евгений Пискарев : Люди меняются в двух случаях. Наиболее частый случай, когда им очень плохо. Это, может быть, приведет к изменению. Второй случай, гораздо более редкий, когда благодать Божия посетила.

Яков Кротов : Звучит красиво. Но выпало рациональное начало в человеке.

Евгений Пискарев : Практика показывает, что все культурное развитие перед лицом воин, перед лицом психологии толпы рациональность и разумность исчезает.

Яков Кротов : Главный упрек церкви. У Вас есть анафема. У Вас есть вечные муки. Кто не любит Господа Иисуса Христа, будет отлучен. Но вот эти санкции - это тоже имитация анафемы.

Евгений Пискарев : Согласен.

Яков Кротов : Саморазрушайся, но я тебя не пущу. Пост - это ведь тоже своего рода продовольственная санкция, наложенная на себя. Только там это саморазрушение, а христианский пост - это самосозидание.

Евгений Пискарев : Ради чего?

Яков Кротов : Ради мира. Я накладываю на себя пост, чтобы был мир, а там я накладываю на себя пост, чтобы я продолжал войну. Все ресурсы на фронт. Саморазрушение за счет расширения.

Евгений Пискарев : Экспансии.

Яков Кротов : Мыльный пузырь ведь саморазрушается.

Евгений Пискарев : Да. Империализм как политика, как мировоззрение всегда саморазрушителен. Все великие державы погибли. Когда люди мыслят имперскими категориями, идея собственного величия не созидательна.

Яков Кротов : Человек может жить один?

Евгений Пискарев : Я думаю, что жить один он не очень-то может.

Яков Кротов : То есть саморазрушение в принципе невозможно. Если я себя разрушаю...

Евгений Пискарев : Да, мы так или иначе несем на себе чью-то печать.

Яков Кротов : Саморазрушению противостоит вовсе не самосозидание, а моя встреча с другим.

Евгений Пискарев : Да, согласен. Из глубины сердца.

Яков Кротов : Почему? А просто так?

Евгений Пискарев : Важен вектор. Если человек к этому идет. Конечно, трудно требовать сразу каких-то вершин. Крест - это то, что венчает церковь. А мы пока где-то на паперти еще, пониже.

Яков Кротов : Крест венчает то, что над крестом. Церковь венчает не крест. Над Крестом всегда свет Воскресения.

Евгений Пискарев : Да, и это тоже.

Яков Кротов : Мы видим крест, но за крестом-то Воскресение.

Евгений Пискарев : Согласен.

Яков Кротов : Иначе бы не было ничего более ужасного, чем христианский храм с крестом.

Евгений Пискарев : И Воскресение, и вера в этом, и принятие, и упование, и надежда, что жизнь развивается. Она течет. Она продолжается. И она есть дар, и она есть благо. Дьявол хочет всегда поставить точку, чтобы слово оставалось за ним. А диалог продолжается, продолжается и продолжается, как река течет, впадает в океан. Дальше эта вода испаряется, возвращается дождем и т. д. Также и слова наши возвращаются, осмысляются, книги пишутся из книг и т. д/

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  Yakov Krotov

  Historian and priest, leading Radio Freedom Radio "Between Vera and Belief"

  ykrotov@yahoo.com