Pressing program 12.08.2007

The head coach of the national team and the world record holder do not go to the World Athletics Championship

Oleg Vinokurov: On the eve of the World Athletics Championship, we intended to introduce listeners, in particular, with the thrower of Tatyana Lysenko. But because of the next doping scandal, she will not go to the championship, like the head coach of the Russian national team Valery Kulichenko. Listen to our correspondent Elena Prikhodko, Tatyana Lysenko and her coach Nikolai Beloborodova.

Elena Prikhodko: The permanent and many years of the Russian delegation at all tournaments, Valery Kulichenko, was temporarily suspended from office. The fault of this is an unprecedented doping scandal that erupted in the Russian Federation of athletics. Its uniqueness is that the coach of athletes accused of using the forbidden drug, Nikolai Beloborodov, openly, and not back, as it was earlier, accused the head coach of the national team of spreading food additives containing doping. We are talking about the throwing of the hammer - the current record holder of the world Tatyana Lysenko and the European record holder among youth Ekaterina good. It is worth noting that the substance found in their blood is not included in the list of prohibited drugs. And in the case of Lysenko-Goroshi against officials of the World Anti-Doping Agency, the point has not yet been set. One has to prove that the substance found in the Russians is doping, others have the opportunity to refute this statement. But Russian athletics were forced to defend their interests alone. A week ago, I talked with Tatyana Lysenko, and now how things were at that time.

Tatyana Lysenko: I am now in Mosobalay. I did not leave, as it is written, an investigation was being conducted, I was all the time at the training camp, with all, 11 months a year, and what happened, why a positive test came, I need to figure it out.

Elena Prikhodko: You and the coach refused to open Doping tests B. What is connected with?

Tatyana Lysenko: Firstly, the period of disqualification is lengthened, and what they found in the sample A will certainly be found in the B. sample and only legally can be fought now, because the substances that I had found in any list of prohibited drugs. Why they sent a positive test, you also need to figure it out. They immediately called me, they told me to leave the territory of the base urgently. This is also not clear to me, if an investigation is underway, I was expelled from the national team. That is, within an hour after a notification of a positive sample has arrived. "Hide." Why should I hide? I did not use anything except what they gave me in the national team. And our leadership, our federation, says: "The child’s birth, for example." I say: "When I need to give birth, I decide myself, I want to perform at the World Cup, at the Olympic Games." How this substance I have, I know. I know who gave me recovery drugs, from whom they took. And what to do me? It turns out that I myself went, surrendered voluntarily doping control, I knew that they would take me to doping control at the competitions, and the fact that I had a doping control before leaving. I myself came, I could do the other day.

Elena Prikhodko: You were provided with a lawyer, lawyer, who is now conducting your business?

Tatyana Lysenko: So far we have not hired a lawyer yet. Protection? Coach, good and Lysenko - here we are fighting. But, of course, my parents, all friends support me. But this should be a good specialist precisely in the field of chemistry, should prove to them that this substance is not included, it is not forbidden. And they told me that in Russia there is no such specialist. At least they told me that. We are fighting, trying, hope dies the last. But while the investigation is being conducted. If no one will do anything, then it's hard, to be honest. They found, they sent, our federation should do everything else. There are no contracts, the team has no lawyers. I got caught, - they say, go, in two years we will wait for you.

Elena Prikhodko: However, a chemical specialist, which Tatyana Lysenko is talking about, was found last week. The director of the Russian anti -doping laboratory, the candidate of chemical sciences, to the request of the All -Russian Athletics Federation replied that the structural features of the molecule of the drug, for the presence of which in the body, Russian throwers were accused of using doping, does not allow him to attribute it to the prohibited.

After the performance of Beloborodov, the position of the leadership of the Russian national team changed somewhat. Valery Kulichenko, commenting on the accusations against him, noticed that he was in a hospital with a heart attack that happened to him during the Russian Championship. This, however, did not stop him from being present in Luzhniki, and very cheerfully walking around the stadium.

Kulichenko also recalled that no one had yet proved that the substance found in Tatyana Lysenko and Catherine of the good is doping. “Read the charter of Wada,” calls the detached head coach of the national team. There is a paragraph that if the athlete proves that he was given the drug intentionally and indicates this person, the period of his disqualification will halve. I do not exclude that someone wanted to remove me, and the coach and his wards went to everything for the softening of the sentence. ”

On whose side is the truth, the commission specially created under the Russian Federation of light athletics should figure out. But, despite the very realistic assumptions of Valery Kulichenko, the words of Tatyana Lysenko sound more convincing. After all, it is one thing - the detection of the drug from the list of prohibited, another is a component, the effect of which has not yet been proven on the human body. In this case, the position of the leadership of the national team, to put it mildly, is surprising. In what other country will the current record holders of the world scatter? So the coach of Lysenko and the good Nikolai Beloborodov claims that he was not going to produce any revolution, he simply realized that they could not fight the power alone. And in order to draw attention to the leadership of the national team, I had to open the unpleasant facts of the internal life of the Russian Queen of Sports. The calculation, however, was not entirely true to Nikolai Beloborodov.

Nikolai Beloborodov: When we were announced that we had a doping, three weeks had passed before the announcement. And when we said where we got, you see which immediately began, the next day we were already fired. Honestly, I thought that the system would last a little longer. It turns out that, roughly speaking, as the team got rid of us, and Kulichenko. I even feel sorry for him in some way. He worked for so many years, and he was needed with medals. And now they just took a man and threw it away. I thought to put him in my boat and fight, so that the whole system, the whole country fought.

And what happened? They just threw us away, that now Kulichenko was thrown away. I think that it should not be so. If we mined these medals, then somehow the whole country should defend us and fight. Not proven, yes. Then why was a person dismissed if it is not proved that this is doping? I am not ready for comments, because all this needs to be aware of what happened. We tried to sincerely fight, and I see that bureaucratic methods are used against us. You just need it differently. We tried from the heart, from the heart, and the games are used against us completely different. I would like to transfer all this to the legal field, go to court, and already try to figure out who is right, who is to blame.

Elena Prikhodko: It turns out that now you wanted to put the leadership of the federation in one boat with you so that it helps you to defend your interests in the international arena and Vada. It turns out that your plan failed, just removed Kulichenko, and nothing happens?

Nikolai Beloborodov: In general, yes. You know, there is a ship, we sailed to the ship in a boat with oars. I thought they would take us on the ship, and they would protect us. No, it turns out that people from the ship are planted in turn. I got involved in such a war in which it is necessary to win. And in order to win, of course, it is necessary not to reveal all your secrets that I could use. I had no task for Kulichenko to be responsible. Not only Kulichenko is to blame. This is just a performer. He also wanted the best.

How he will behave further, I do not know. Now lawyers are addressing us who want to protect us, but I also do not believe them much, because there are people who just want to make money on some grief. I would like to find such a good, competent lawyer who would understand this humanly. Do you have such people there by chance? We are slowly training, slowly we live further, prepare for the 2009 World Cup. This is what they say that this is not doping.

We can only in Russia for ourselves, for reassurance, so to say, but the international organization does not consider it like that. What is it connected with, I do not understand a little. Why don't they tell us this in Russia then? So that there is no scandal? I think because of this. Who needs Lysenko with these world records? Nobody. Against the background of the earnings that people receive, there is, there is no it ... We do not want to arrange a revolution. This will not lead to anything. But maybe somewhere you need to say something so that someone is afraid of something. Because it came to the fact that no one is afraid of anything, no one says anything. The only thing that, maybe, many may ask why I was silent before? Because it didn't touch me. And now I say because it concerns me. And I would like to teach a lesson to someone that someone will fall into such a situation, he could even think when you are offered such options that you yourself will be responsible for this, you yourself will come out of this dirt, no one will help you with it.

Sports Economics: Prices in Sochi are rising by day, but by hour

Dmitry Morozov: Let's move on to the 2014 Winter Olympics. Our expert Robert Veskerichyan promised to monitor the process of preparing for the Sochi Olympics. You have a word, professor.

Robert Veskerichyan: We are fulfilling the promise of one and a half months ago to monitor, as you put it. As for the preparation process, it, in fact, has not yet begun in terms of construction and allocation of funds on certain facilities. Because a month and a half is a very short time.

Dmitry Morozov: But still, prices managed to take off decently.

Robert Veskerichyan: That's right. Prices darted. In a panel house, in Khrushchev, up to three thousand dollars is a square meter, and elite housing - ten thousand. They were equal to Moscow, which, of course, is abnormal.

Dmitry Morozov: Is the private sector to be demolished already?

Robert Veskerichyan: Firstly, do not dramatize events so much. Firstly, the private sector will be demolished in a planned manner if a new general plan for Sochi is adopted. As for the general plan of Sochi, its “complete reformatting” is ahead, as the chief architect of this city put it. What does reformatting mean? People who have been to Sochi know what this city looks like - a rather narrow strip along the coast. And all the good places, who then knew, in Soviet times, what capitalization, stocks, exchange ... were abusive words. There was one article, 88th, for foreign exchange operations. It was possible to get the highest measure of social protection - execution.

Then they built five -story buildings on the seashore, a bird cherry was considered elite housing. And now, as you see, I'm afraid that all these five -story buildings can suffer. This is regarding planned demolition, reconstruction. In a year, there will be approximately a new, deeply redesigned, modernized plan of Sochi, which, of course, should be. He was always needed, but now, in connection with the Olympics, it is no longer possible without him. Last Friday, they were going to start demolition.

Found 76 buildings illegally built. These are not some huts and temporary trees, but seven to eight floor buildings. How was this done in Sochi? This is the southern city, there is a very strong change in the population in an ethnic sense, consumption, clan system is highly developed. Although in Moscow, I think, no less developed. His eyes were closed there, he built a two -story building. And where there are two floors, there are seven floors. And there are several dozen such hotels. And in the summer, people earn on this. This, most likely, will be demolished.

"There is a lie, impudent lies and statistics." The one who said this probably did not know that there is still sociology. Because when you read, everyone is so happy, everything is wonderful in Sochi. And in Sochi there are people who are happy. Those who were inhabited at the contracts, on the resale of plots. And those, the latter, sit and think that the general plan will give them - nothing is not known.

I was in Sochi recently. Although I am not a sociologist, and this is such a vulgar, folk sociology, but I met with a variety of people, and I have not seen a single happy face. This is one side. On the other hand, no one is indignant, because people understand that this happens once in a life, this is a chance for the city to get out of this backwood, this is a chance to break out of poverty, oddly enough. Because people live for five or six months, and what they earned, then eat in winter. That is, people understand globally, but locally they think: what is it to me, because this is all ahead, maybe I will use these fruits, goodies?

Dmitry Morozov: You have to live now!

Robert Veskerichyan: My house can be demolished, some incomprehensible business structures from Moscow came. That is, understandable to us, but they are incomprehensible. Why do I think everything will cost? Our man how works, in my opinion? If, for example, you need to go into a picket against the wrong admission system to universities, civil rights, you will not interrogate. And if you step on your pocket, then they can block the road.

And there, you know, what is the road? Between the mountains and the sea. It costs nothing to block. The authorities know this. Do you remember the benefits of how grannies were blocked to Sheremetyevo? As for direct construction, everything is fine, Deripaska begins the Olympic village in full swing, conducts survey work. Rose Khutor is Potanin's project. Everything will be fine. What would you like to finish? You always need to look for a positive grain. There is already a positive grain in all this Sochi confusion. What is nice. The Olympic stadium, until the project has been approved, or thirty or forty thousand seats. In the territory where it is now located, I don’t know how to call it softer, the barn is a former city stadium.

Dmitry Morozov: Where did the Pearl play?

Robert Oskerrychyan: Yes. The most beautiful corner of the city of Sochi, on the seashore, in the city center. And there they will build a stadium at which there will be an opening and closing ceremony. And then the stadium, after the closing of the Olympics, will go into the possession of the Russian national football team. There will be an All -Russian football center.

We constantly said why to build in Moscow another stadium for 200 million dollars, and even in Moscow, where in winter snow and frosts are around in Sochi, isn't it better in Sochi? Please, they heard our opinion. Not only we talked about it. Perhaps public opinion somehow prevailed. Perhaps public opinion is of some importance in today's Olympic situation with Sochi-2014.