Harry Lysyuk

The host of the St. Petersburg hour of the Liberty Live program Tatyana Valovich: May 1 traditionally remains in Russia in the afternoon, when trade unions can and want to recall their existence, and once again declare their requirements. Under what slogans does the Federation of Trade Unions of St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region intend to speak this year? Here we will talk about this and much more with the chairman of the Federation Harry Lysyuk. Harry Andreevich, so what is the motto of the current May Day actions that will hold trade unions?

Harry Lysyuk: Already during the year there is one motto, one slogan: "Social state - social policy."

Tatyana Valovich: Do you think this definition - "social state" - is approaching the Russian state now?

Harry Lysyuk: Well, at least this is formalized in the Constitution, and the 7th article of the Constitution speaks of this. And Russia - all people living in Russia are worthy of such a definition, and they are obliged to solve this problem.

Tatyana Valovich: And how do you feel about the initiative that the Yabloko party has now nominated - about the resignation of the Kasyanov government? We constantly talked about our claims to the government of this composition, and in principle I think that among the members of the trade union, he will find a positive response.

Tatyana Valovich: Are you ready to join?

Harry Lysyuk: This issue will not be posed on the first day, although, you remember, a month ago the state employee was held somewhere, there were such exclamations, such slogans and calls were.

Tatyana Valovich: Please tell me, as a result of the action that passed 27, in my opinion, February, it was quite extensive, all-Russian, certain requirements were put forward, something is already being fulfilled, or is it also ignored at the government level?

Harry Lysyuk: Not again - it remains. And we hope that we will still achieve results. Because as a result of this action, a conciliation commission was created, the government refused to introduce the law on differentiated as, we say, the remuneration of budgetary organizations. The conciliation commission of representatives of the government, employers and trade unions has been created, and I hope that still a reasonable solution will be found. After all, we, too, for the differentiated remuneration of healthcare, teachers, cultural workers, but reasonable, that as a result of this differentiation, a person working in the budget sphere won, and did not lose. So there is a result.

Tatyana Valovich: Harry Andreevich, I know that in 2002, in my opinion, the Trilateral agreement that you signed with the city administration said that already in 2002 it was necessary to implement that moment so that people received a salary not lower than the cost of living-is it completed?

Harry Lysyuk: Here in full - no. In full - no. But, as they say, tails remained. We understand that my such rather rude word “tails” is behind-people are behind this, and at least I think that somewhere in 2003 we will finish this business, maybe by the middle of the year the task will be completed, that is, the subsistence minimum is equal to the minimum wage, I mean, it is on the budget part, because in the earning unit this issue is solved.

Tatyana Valovich: Today, what is the living wage for St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region?

Harry Lysyuk: 2600 rubles. And today, a month ago, somewhere around 80 thousand workers get less than the subsistence level.

Tatyana Valovich: I know that there were conversations, and Governor Yakovlev said that a few years later, the salary in St. Petersburg would grow up to almost a thousand dollars a month. How do you evaluate such statements, they are not populist, due to the fact that the governor of St. Petersburg officially stated that it would not run for a third term, all the officials began to arrange their fate somehow, in this situation it would not work out that a whole year ahead, and the social policy of the city administration would be abandoned?

Harry Lysyuk: I have not heard such statements about a thousand dollars from the governor, but I know clearly completely, but we continue to work, we have concluded an agreement for 2003, we continue to insistently work to increase wages, bring it to a worthy one, I know that the government gave the assignment of the finance committee-prepare the budget of 2004, where there will be such signs: the average salary will be two livestocks The minimum, or the minimum salary will approach two subsistence minimums, but at least all wages should exceed the cost of living by one and a half to two times. This is the first. And what are you saying - 30 thousand, a thousand dollars, this is from October, when trade unions set the task of solving the issue of decent work, I call this figure. The wages in St. Petersburg should be at the level of 30 thousand rubles. Then the question of utility bills, tariffs, rest can be pushed aside.

Tatyana Valovich: Harry Andreevich, unfortunately, you had to communicate very tightly with medicine very closely, a gang attack was committed last fall. Please tell me, have you used free medical help, or paid?

Harry Lysyuk: free, partially, and partially through insurance medicine.

Tatyana Valovich: How, in your opinion, can free medicine be of high quality, or is it an incorrect question now in relation to the medicine of Russia?

Harry Lysyuk: generally an incorrect question, because the question is raised - "free medicine." It has never been and will never be free medicine.

Tatyana Valovich: socially guaranteed.

Harry Lysyuk: medical services to the population are paid either by an individual or from public funds personally, and public funds are working, the union members work, and not members of the trade union work, pay, therefore a budget is being created, and a certain part of the budget is aimed for medical services for the population. And therefore, how much it is collected at all, and how this money is effectively used, you need to talk about it, and not about whether it is paid or free. But I would like to draw attention to the fact that the system that existed until 1991, we want this or not, was one of the best in the world. And when I listened to the survey, I listened to what people said, I recalled that Clinton before his departure wanted to introduce this system in America. Doctors are also very smart, health is a very subtle thing, so the system of prevention, preventing treatment was worked out in the USSR, and, of course, I would not want to, due to the lack of money from public funds and from personal funds, to bury this system. I am sure that we will return to this anyway, because even here we are analyzing the question - the state of the trade unions of doctors, and it turns out: it is cheaper to conduct prevention for the state than to treat.

Tatyana Valovich: Of course, this is like this all over the world.

Harry Lysyuk: And we just now go in the direction that the preventive part - it is cutting out, remember, there was a social insurance fund, now they have introduced a single social tax. If a person could come to the rest house, to the boarding house, to the sanatorium - to be prevented prophylactically, to suspend some of his negative trends in health, now the whole thing is reduced to zero, and only rehabilitation remains, and then half less, probably, probably. And wages - we talked in the previous part - what we have, and the vouchers are how much they cost.

Tatyana Valovich: How do trade unions solve this issue now? Is there any opportunity? Say, now there is a very big problem-in connection with the 300th anniversary of the city celebration, all schools are recommended to complete the school year on the 23rd. Children - wherever you want. Who has summer cottages is good. Those who have no summer cottages could be sent to some camps, but they, firstly, were always opened not earlier than June 1, and secondly, how many such social camps are now in the Leningrad Region, so that the children can relax?

Harry Lysyuk: Over the past year, the year and this year, we hope to maintain the number of children's health camps both in the city and in the region. We do not reduce the number of vacationing children, but when you are talking about the 23rd number, my granddaughter ends the 23rd, fifth grade ... Firstly, weather, right. Secondly, the preparation of the camps for admission is quite complicated, and stationary moments that could periodically open children's recreation areas in the territories of recreation and sanatoriums in summer and winter are trimmed with social tax. That is, the offensive is quite tough in this direction. Although we have a sanatorium-resort system, there are sanatoriums, rest houses, boarding houses, and there, of course, we will organize a children's vacation, at least try to come with families, family vacations and children's vacations, for example, the Vostok-6 boarding house-it is even specialized, there are trips, of course, the cost, but we try to lower them, of course, minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimally, but minimum, but still lower.

Tatyana Valovich: Thus, again, of course, it turns around, despite the fact that everyone says that the anniversary of the city is a holiday for citizens, my children also go to school and we are simply recommended: if you do not write a statement, the children will be forced to sit from 9 to 17 hours at school, because the teachers will be responsible for the children to do not talk around the city, so what the holiday can be.

Harry Lysyuk: I think these are excesses, and it is amazing that there are such emissions in the pedagogical environment.

Tatyana Valovich: This is not in the pedagogical, it is recommended by the city administrations to poor teachers.

Harry Lysyuk: I'm talking about it. You see, imagine this moment, if you look, a professional, teacher, how will he appreciate it?. We very gently evaluate you, these are more stringent words in this situation.

Tatyana Valovich: Harry Andreevich and still return to May 1, it is still called the International Day of Solidarity of Workers. Here is the international, in what it is expressed, is there really some international movement, do you feel the support of trade unions from other countries, do you communicate, not only you, but in general Russian trade unions, with an international movement?

Harry Lysyuk: Yes. Why international? Because it will take place on May 1, yes, on May 2, you will clearly see in the press that in many, very many countries of the world, trade unions will go out in order to say what they are unhappy, what they would like. Today, if I am not mistaken, at seven hours, I turned on your radio, and it was said that New York was supposed to reduce firefighters. I fantasize, but most likely they will remember May 1 and say: "Guys, in the end, what are you doing, to live, right, right?" And then we will say that this is not an international day. We have really very large connections of international, because the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia is a part of the IFSP, it is a large international organization, there are dozens of countries of the world, we mean the trade union movement, therefore it is really an international day of solidarity, the day of solidarity of workers in defending their rights. Capital is not always so soft, it often happens with a hedgehog, a very thorny hedgehog.

Tatyana Valovich: Is there any general slogan, say, that will unite international actions this year?

Harry Lysyuk: I think there is: "For decent work," he is very wide. The second among the slogans will be - about children, children's health, the well -being of children - these moments will be generally universal.

Tatyana Valovich: I know that Russian trade unions have proposed such a slogan, if I may say so: “Conscious, both states and citizens, should be mutually for each other,” and can, say, from citizens of the Russian state to demand respect for the state that does not fulfill its obligations? That is, the state’s respect for citizens is, first of all, a high level of real wages worthy of pensions, scholarships, and high -quality healthcare.

Harry Lysyuk: I will tell you directly: when they say to me the word "state", I can’t understand what the state is. There is a state apparatus, an executive apparatus, the state is an army, borders, different many points, and even government officials - we are talking about respect for officials and the population. Well, directly, openly, before May 1: they are unworthy of respect, excuse the gentlemen-officials, for their work.