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Александра Мерцалова

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The results of the exam will double -check

Cousteau 08/11/2009 at 10:41 ( Dya )

Well, yes, let's create another state corporation - the dubbing of it, which, like all previous ones, will mainly engage in commerce, and in their free time to fight off the public attacks on the exam.
The idea of the exam has already compromised itself. Conducting the test does not add any objectivity, it does not allow real knowledge, the selection of talents to universities also does not provide. Then why do you need all this?

VAK, prof .

Gift selection

The selection of talents has always been provided by the Olympiads. You need a lot of olympiads - good and different. Especially Internet Olympiads with testing knowledge and issuing certificates of the exam from leading universities and universities.

BAKS2 08/19/2009 at 19:31 ( lift )

Cancellation of final exams in schools

The exam and the reform of education in Russia were reduced to the cancellation of de facto exams in schools - in physics, chemistry, history and literature.
90% of the refusals to pass exams in schools in all graduate exams is significant for the quality of education. Why read books and study textbooks, if you can not take completely incomprehensible exams with stupid answers to no one understandable questions ???

Student 2009 08/11/2009 at 12:54 ( Dya )

In my opinion, the USE system generally needs to be very well reviewed! This year I experienced all this on myself and my eyes opened on many things. When we were preparing for the exam, all my classmates and teachers said that there was nothing good in the exam, but I was against it, I thought that the exam is a chance for shallow children from the remote areas of our immense homeland to break out of the center, to enter the best universities of the country if they are capable of EIO. But how sad I was! I handed over the exam. I went to the university of my region immediately and without a doubt, but why not try my hand at universities of federal significance? But, as I already understood there, we have budget places only for beneficiaries, the sum of the points for three USEs less than I have a hundred !!! And statistics of admission to Moscow State University ??? As far as I know, the Faculty of Law there out of 360 budget places was taken by the same beneficiaries! Where is justice? Is it really enough for someone to go to the minimum line to get to a prestigious university, and to someone-no matter how high the points are-either go to study for a lot of money, or to some kind of educational institution, after which it is impossible to find a job?! I sincerely believe and I hope that our government will be able to do something real to solve this problem, otherwise I never thought that I would have such a feeling, I would be disappointed in our leadership ... Gravemen also need to establish a higher minimum score. Is it really a disabled person who has no legs, but not empty in his head, could not pass the exam for a good score and enter the university if this is worthy? And these artificial contests !!! And during the admission, I have heard more than once from the same applicants that you can buy a budget place at the university (I won’t say which one) by paying 400 thousand rubles once ... In general, I can say that I have changed very much this summer, I have lost the hope that we have a democratic state, that if you are talented and not stupid, even if you have no money and you can go into the village. A good university and get an education that you deserve. And this is the exam that I used to defend, does not even solve the problem of objective assessment of knowledge who wants, he will write off! Fortunately or unfortunately, but there was no opportunity to write off in my school, but according to the stories of applicants from other regions - this was not difficult ... I think that these vaunted hundred -Ballers! Nevertheless, I hope that everything I said at least someone will make anyone think !!!

* 08/11/2009 at 16:09 ( Dya )

I do not know how you, the humanities, but the technical faculties of Moscow State University (Mehmat, Physics and Enterprise, VMK ...) are scored by students "from the village" who were received on the exams on a par with everyone (for the most part for budget training). The exam in this regard will ruin everything, because the tasks that had to be solved at Moscow State University-School exams are much more complicated than the tasks for the exam at the school. There was also a factor in an oral exam, but which teachers really could evaluate and distinguish a person.
As a result, thousands of people who wrote a well-simple exam and claiming places in universities, where the requirements have always been higher than the average. As a result, from these thousands of identical people who poke in you some incomprehensible doll from 1 to 100, it is easier to choose those who differ - disabled people for example.

BAKS2 08/16/2009 at 17:20 ( Dya )

The exam is not easier than exams of Moscow State University

The exam is not easier than exams at the Moscow State University: the USE passed on each subject and handed over 5-6% of school graduates.
()% Of school teachers themselves do not know that the exam is required. Therefore, only the strongest students - 5-6% of the schools were able to pass exams of the exam.
Plus school textbooks that do not meet the requirements of the exam.
The expected result - 50% of the seats in universities will be unfitled, since the USE certificates have less than 50% of school graduates.

Alexey 08/16/2009 at 21:05 ( lift )

Easier, easier. And the fact that teachers do not even pull such a level is another question.

Answers Baks2 08/17/2009 at 09:40

BAKS2 08/19/2009 at 19:34 ( lift )

Venut final and entrance exams

To ensure a set to universities and normal education in schools, you need to return the obligatory final exams and full entrance exams at universities.

migsu 08/11/2009 at 17:16 ( lift )

Normally, Gregory!.

The USE is the only objective way to evaluate the knowledge of the student/applicant in modern Russia, where everything has long been captured and bought. It remains only to control the process itself, for which it is necessary to exclude the participation of teachers in this event and hang an exam on disinterested persons, possibly even in the form.
And yet, any benefits should be canceled immediately, as a product of the soviet era.

Paramon 08/12/2009 at 11:42 ( lift )

Do not spit in the well ...

Ah, this tradition of the last twenty years is a spit towards the "scoop"! But for some reason, with the “scoop”, our education provided the highest scientific and industrial achievements, our “brains” of the “soviet spill” are still in demand in the same West, and the current “educators” cannot find decent work in their country. Corruption must not be fought with the help of the exam, but based on the Criminal Code! It has long been clear that the reform of education in Russia is aimed at the destruction of this very education. It was necessary to modernize just the Soviet system, preserving all the best. The real "left" came to power, which needs to "destroy the whole world", but they simply do not imagine what "for that,". By the way, it is in the “scoop” that all those who, being at the top of the authorities, are received by the "vocabulary", dismantle not only the education system and the economy, but all the Russian civilization.
And in the West, an analogue of our exam is only one of the forms.
Well, a separate conversation is needed about benefits - otherwise you can agree that people with deviations in their health need to be thrown into the abyss, as in Sparta ...
In the end, I wish everyone who spits in the "Soviet well" (from which we still draw live water) to recall the popular wisdom, calling not to crap where it is imprisoned to drink ...

Alexey 08/16/2009 at 21:02 ( lift )

There are no benefits in science. And the benefit and material assistance are different things.

BAKS2 08/17/2009 at 09:47 ( Dygun )

90% of the refusals of passing the exam

90% of the refusals to pass the exam in physics, chemistry, computer science and all other entrance exams to universities are the most negative consequences of the current education reform.
It is bad when universities are responsible for entrance exams not universities, but by officials from corrupt federal departments.
The result is expected a large shortage in universities - up to 50% of unoccupied places in budget universities.

Nataall 08/12/2009 at 14:34 ( lift )

No need to blame anyone

I think that there is no need to look back in Soviet times, time flies forward. At this stage, the exam is a new event attached to reality. Something happened this year, I think that the commission will figure it out, take into account during the new receipt, it may be necessary to divide the budget places in proportion to preferential and full, it may also be necessary to take into account the studies of children in schools, to encourage their work for 11 busy years, to add some points to the surveyed exam. In our world, we have computerization in Russia, testing has already entered into mandatory and familiar actions, in schools they try to install computers, the Internet everywhere, so you can’t say unequivocally that the oral exam, the commissioned commission will more precisely confirm the student’s knowledge of the exam, the human factor is very difficult to neutralize about the objectivity of adults, and the honesty of adults can only dream

BAKS2 08/18/2009 at 14:58 ( lift )

Soviet and Russian school - two big differences

The Soviet school was on the mandatory passing of final exams in physics, chemistry, mathematics, literature and other final items in the certificates of maturity.
The Russian school and Russian teachers are now not responsible for final exams in schools.
Hence, such a collapse with quality and grades at the final exams in schools, which now you can not take.
This is a false democracy, false education and false-hobby.

J@r0slove 08/12/2009 at 15:42 ( gathering )

But really is not a bad idea: "Install the minimum passing score for the disabled." So they handed over the exam with grief in half and submit their documents to the most prestigious universities as Moscow State University, etc. Thus, reducing the number of budget places for those who are really worthy to study in such universities. After all, anyway, in the future, there will be a large wave of expelled ones, those who could not successfully surrender the first Cecia. It will be a terrible stress for them. And those who could not pass because of them have already acted and study at other universities, less promising.
And the procedure itself is too cheese. Teachers do not really monitor schoolchildren, doing their own business. And in general, they cannot really answer questions regarding filling out or conducting an exam. And they are wildly afraid to "get around the neck" from their authorities that even some do not go for an additional second form. The exam is new for all of us. And the law enforcement authorities have enough of their problems without this. The exam is not the best way to identify the mental abilities of children. But while it still adapts, you need to return the system that was before, I'm talking about additional tests to universities. Then the linden excellent students will not have a chance to slip. Although I think they can not stay on the budget for a long time.

Mumulf 08/13/2009 at 15:59 ( lift )

About the exam ...

I think that first of all, you need to change the test system (since the self-teacher of mathematics, I’m talking about this subject): 1) should be 4, each contains tasks on all topics of grade 10-11, respectively complicated. Squinting-4 levels designed for mehmat and NAMK. And not the stupid tasks about the buns and reading graphs at the level of grades 5-6 ... 2) the work itself should be tested directly in the work. The exam time in the relevant educational institution in the presence of the commission, the applicant and the rest of the applicants. If questions arise at work, they need to be discussed here! Naturally, the work is transferred in a sealed form without the student of the student. 3) Glashes! All results are announced immediately. 4) All benefits, except for the Olympiads, the number of which should be sharply reduced, and the quality and organization are improved, it is necessary to cancel. Brains are the only real benefit!

VAK, prof .

Change of test systems

I completely agree: the test system in unified state examinations needs to be changed. It is necessary to cancel stupid answers in selective answers. Programmed training with selective answers in the world has not given positive learning outcomes. Why make people read stupid answers ???

VAK, prof .

Problems and disadvantages of the exam

Problems of the USE-2009:
1) 3 million statements to universities at 1 million graduates of schools.
2) More than 90% of school graduates passed mathematics and Russian.
3) more than 90% of graduates did not pass physics, chemistry and other school subjects.
4) more than 50% of graduates did not pass any school subjects except mathematics and Russian language.
5) more than 50% of student places in universities will remain free ???

VAK, prof .

Exam: computer science and ICT

The exam in computer science and ICT since 2009. Now a single entrance and final exam in schools and universities.
50 thousand school graduates in 2009. Successfully passed the exam in computer science and will be enrolled in universities to computer, mathematical and engineering specialties.
Information technologies and safety are the most popular specialties in universities since 2009.
For the delivery of the exam in computer science and ICT, knowledge of algorithmization, logic, languages BASIK and Pascal, as well as programming technologies, are needed.
However, 90% of schoolchildren did not pass the USE in computer science - the reason: the absence in the current school textbooks of Makarova, Semakin and Henner algorithmization, logic, the Internet, the languages of Beisik and Pascal, as well as Internet technologies.
To prepare for the USE on computer science and ICT, the requirements of Kaimin, Ugrinovich and Shautsukova meet the requirements of the exam.
In Moscow schools, due to bad textbooks, 90% of schoolchildren in trial exams received deuces.
In the suburbs, the computer science teachers complain that schools are provided with textbooks that are not relevant to the exam - they do not logic, algorithmization and languages Basik and Pascal.

VAK, prof .

Exam and selective answers

Selective answers are the main drawback of the exam - unified state exams. Nowhere and in any country in the world, questions with incorrect, false, inaccurate answers were not used and are not used in training and control of knowledge.
Incorrect, false answers in all people cause negative reactions in all people, rejection and rejection of texts that cannot and do not need to be remembered and which cannot be trained.
For these reasons, 90% of schoolchildren do not want and do not pass the exam. This is understood by everyone except officials from education who came up with an experiment on schools, schoolchildren, parents and teachers.
Remove selective questions with incorrect, stupid answers from the exam and education will return to the usual environment with textbooks, teachers and normal exams at least in the form of forms with open answers filled with students and express their own knowledge. Fools cannot be studied. Fools do not need to be allowed to the students.