Inter (Acts) Vew 29: K. Rogov

Who did you want to become in childhood?

I immediately decided not to answer those questions that I am not clear or interesting to me. I apologize to their authors.

Remember something about the anthem of the USSR, its symbolism and the upcoming legitimacy.

It seems he said. Once again, I repeat that I am not surprised that Putin likes the Stalinist anthem. The lack of historical consciousness and horizons was declared in the election image that forged his victory. This is a very significant part of the Putin project. Review how, in the biographical book, he at first he does not see and does not understand anything until 1990, and then by chance skips the 90s, already working under Sobchak, but also as if without participating in anything. Putin was loved for this, for the non -teague of those forks that all the others were burdened.

This is a very important feature of a national character - to live in your time, common with the country of life, but as if not to participate in anything and not to know about anything. First, in the late 80s, they rushed to plunder everything that they only saw a convex eye, and when they plundered, they were terribly surprised - and where is everyone? Then they began to rebuild the pyramids, the racket system and the radio system from state financial flows, and when they rebuilt, they shouted together (just - all!): "What kind of garbage did we have for? Where is the market? Where are the virtues?" You will find at least one person who would not shout: "We have a fake market, we have everything wrong!" ( Up to Cordon )? Guys, where have you been all this time? Or did you attack all the Gaidar? Both in Primorye, and in Surgut, in the vicinity of Uryupinsk and on the shores of the Irtysh - everywhere managed to organize the system of mutual requisitions that you turned into your life?

So, the fact that Putin does not know and does not feel the history of his country does not surprise me too much. It surprises me that in general, it seems, there is no elite who remembers and feels her. This is some kind of total disease. The basis of this stupidity with the anthem is, it would seem, a very simple reasoning: "Some are against Tricolor, others against Alexandrov, we will give everyone a piece, so indicating that all the epochs of our history are equally valuable to us." Clever, everyone is happy - no problems. ("What Stalin? We have long been exchanged for his communists in Nicholas II and a half Stolypin!") I think Putin personally came up with it. And this thought is dear to him. However, no one managed to explain to him that this is a compromise only if we think of the categories of that small -optic stall, which de facto is the State Duma of the Russian Federation. And the parody of Amalgam from the eagle and the music of Alexandrov is the legitimation and sacralization of the spirit of this stall as a creature of national statehood. For what can be a compromise if a person, for example,, unlike Vladimir Vladimirovich, remembers who and which regime killed his parents or deprived his people of property, houses and the homeland of his ancestors without trial?

The most remarkable, however, is that the effects of returning to the Stalinist totalitarian anthem showed themselves immediately! Defending the decision about the anthem, Putin called on the opponents of "not burning bridges" and, reminding of public opinion polls, added: "Perhaps we are mistaken with the people," and so on. It is difficult not to find out in this a gabist-party Jesuit style. They, therefore, with the people, and we, therefore, are unknown who, renegades. How - how. Recall. You will see, Putin himself or the Communists, in extreme cases, “unity” will introduce a bill on respect for the symbols and on the punishment for disrespect. First of all. (Since the number of those who declares that they do not recognize this anthem of their country is constantly growing.) This is the logic of the political process, as Vladimir Vladimirovich would say. For it is impossible to accept the Stalinist anthem with impunity.

In fact, neither Putin, nor, apparently, his advisers, nor journalists understand the scale of the mistake. The scale of a kind of humanitarian catastrophe for non -communist Russian statehood.

Please tell us how you met Dmitry Solomonovich Iskovich?

Natural. A common friend brought me to one apartment, where there was a terrible mess, traces of uncontrollable life, a tiny girl of Ksenechka, the smell of diapers and milk, a girl Sasha, a sensual intellectual in appearance, as was then accepted (and, of course, a very black man who unpleasantly suppressed his pressure and a special manner of conducting an intellectual conversation - as if all your thoughts that you have just what you have just what you have. He expressed that he was known and changed his mind for him many years ago (which, of course, was not true). About everything and about everyone he knew, he spoke, as if implying that you, of course, you know. And there was no way to clarify all the time, and therefore arose - from their own falsity - a feeling of complete depression. When I left, I had the feeling that I had been holding a box with a brick on outstretched hands for a long time.

The apartment was on the Red Army. So I met Dm. Itskovich, about whom at that time I thought that, of course, he should not be called DM. Iskovich, and simply - the bews. Such a character from an unfinished Chekhov play.

How did you end up on the Internet?

Accidentally and forced.

How do you feel about the thesis that Putin is not an independent politician, but a focus of public expectations?

There is no contrast.

How does Politer feel? The project makes the impression of the frozen. Where is the development?

Cyril! Do you think that the resource "Polit.ru" has died? If so, then what you explain his death, and if not, then motivate, please.

Who will save the half -dead Polit.ru?

Are you going to change the "environment.ru" format, slightly separating it from "Polit.ru"?

"Polit.ru" feels more or less normally. I would even say good. Problems are known: lack of investment. They are the essence of the advantage. This seems to be understandable.

As for the decay, half -deadness - complete garbage. We just obviously survived in the recession phase. Moreover, they, it seems, managed to cope with the change in the market and the structure of the market. In particular, I mean ratings. It, of course, is more pleasant to be in fifth place, and not in the fiftieth. But, on the other hand, reatchings, in my opinion, is an extremely useful thing, first of all, with their help, investment managers can screw it directly to investors. And since we do not have such a task (see above), I do not see the reasons for worrying them. I am more worried about something else. "Politra" - was and remains the best political resource of Runet. In my opinion, it does not sound too arrogant and quite convincing. In any case, it is heard.

There is another question that I suggest in several aggressively asked to me. The very nature of political information, its social and intellectual status over the last year and a half has changed significantly. In those years when the Politra was invented - it was such non -stop life, a soap opera, they went to the tape five times a day to see what still collapsed there and what scandal happened. We did this so, thinking that political news is not the lot of information workers and professionals, but a living social and intellectual need. We, that is, did about politics for people who, in principle, have a hostility to politics, bordering on disgust. This was a formula for the success of some. Now much has changed. And the "political" has changed, such an ordinary and forced logic of development and life itself. We are now interested in details, complex conflicts. You will not walk three times a day to watch how the polemic of Illarionov develops with government economists. And what underwater stones and boulders actually lie behind official statements about the need for judicial reform, you also do not need to track every day.

But "Polit.ru" has its own niche and, I would say, the purpose to which you need to move to. I would formulate this situation like that. When the smoke of the struggle (Yeltsin, Communists, Luzhkov, Reformers, Gusinsky) was dispelled, one very simple thing was exposed: no one, including Putin with advisers, Pavlovsky with PR managers, none of those who fiercely shouted to the opponents “You destroyed, you deceived, you could not have ready -made answers that could be the basis of absolutely necessary and fundamental elections. And everyone is standing, fresh and equal, with varying degrees of persuasiveness camouflaging their ignorance. Everything is clear to us, only while we are fighting and polemicizing. Or while we are planning the "Information War", for example. Borem there are oligarchs and governors or other harmful creatures. And then? And here - the site is quite wide, but, of course, limited by a certain common direction of the discussion is very necessary. This still needs to be done. Anyway, we, by and large, are not interested in politics as a set of tactical events and circumstances, but another. It has always been and remains.

About "Wednesday.ru" - I really want to do it. And we will. There is nothing to separate here. If you want - dial www.cpeda.ru - without any "politic". Separate - this is not a place, but on the contrary - independence. Here, "Polit.ru" began formally as a division of "magazine.ru". What is now known only to specialists. The main problem is for us that so far we are doing this almost on the knee, between business, so to speak enthusiasm. We must also come up with how to "oppose" the project.

In a long-standing “unlimited link”, Leibov wrote about how pleasant philologists write about politics, talking in Russian and so on. My question is, perhaps, stupid and demonstrating ignorance. Is time and space remains for philology? And what, in this way, is philology for you?

Cyril, where can you read your work on philology? And then everyone says "philologist of the horns", it became interesting.

Philology is a profession, that is, what I can do best. Philology for me - the intersection of two real -interesting realities - literature and history. Not that even they are interesting to me, rather - I'm just committed to them. Or - subject to them. Something like that. You can read in specialized publications. It seems like the "Lotman collection" (second), the dictionary "Russian writers. 1800-1917", etc. But I do not advise from general knowledge of curiosity. Quite special things. On the Web there is, it seems, on Ruthenia , a collection about the 1970s and an article in the Tartu Tyutchevsky collection.