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Black on red-white
Spartak won Rubin, but the loss of points scored may not be the most severe punishment.
The situation for Radio Freedom is analyzed by the Observer of Kommersant Gleb Cherkasov.
It was a clearly defined and articulated provocation of people who, first of all, wanted to declare themselves. First of all, inside a very narrow community that is not directly related to football. They did it.
Have they related to some Spartak fan communities?
- I do not know the people who did it. And, in addition, many of those who held this banner might not know what they are holding. As it usually happens: everyone is mixed up, emotions splash out and someone begins to stretch the banner. What is written on it is incomprehensible, but everyone begins to help him. You can only see from the side. The question is who brings the banner. And here a variety of options are possible. Say, at the match of two metropolitan teams, the fans of one of the teams carried a banner, which was made in the colors of another team, to the fan sector of this very team - with insults to this team. Is your color? Mine. They stretched out, photographed, shot a minute later, but it was too late.
“But this banner must be carried.”
This is one of the most important issues. The Kazan stadium is famous for its very tough inspection, the dense work of the police - we will call it like this, although it is often real arbitrariness in relation to visiting fans. It was a year when the lighters were taken away. It is incomprehensible how this banner managed to carry this banner.
- What is the guest sector - in the sense, how much it is filled with guests?
- Ideally, the guest sector stands out for the fans of the team who came to another city to support it, and which are somehow organized. But in practice it is quite difficult to organize. Especially in the case of Spartak, because they are rooting for it not only in Moscow, but throughout the country. And for many residents of the Volga region and even the Urals, it is much easier to come to Kazan than to come to Moscow. They often come in the hope that they either get a ticket or they will be allowed like that. Accordingly, they begin to launch or not launch them, depending on the situation. Who can go there? Any person who will have a ticket or who will declare that he is a fan of the Moscow Spartak. In addition, as far as I know, the Kazan police gathered at the stadium of those people who bought tickets for other sectors, to the central stands, and also took them to this sector - the police are much calmer. That is, roughly speaking, you can come to another city, buy a ticket and, if you go without attributes, then in the sector you are for the time being, no one will touch the time until you show emotions.
- That is, in principle, the variant of the sabotage of some Spartak enemies is not excluded?
- The version of the sabotage, I apologize for the tautology, would be beautiful. But I still think that these are people who call themselves fans of Spartak.
- How much the leaders of the fans associations, in particular, Spartakovsky, control what is happening in the stands and generally in motion?
- The movement is quite multifaceted and diverse. There is no military discipline and, I think that with all the efforts, the movement will not be completely possible in this sense - simply because it is not an army, this is a voluntary association.
The problem, it seems to me, is what. On the one hand, of course, in order to avoid such excesses, it would be good to control everything total. On the other hand, if, in the current state of affairs, everything will be controlled so, this can lead to other excesses. Suppose the organization of fans of a certain club fully controls all fan stands. And it begins to determine how to behave in these stands. Until the screamers, speech, and so on. Is there any confidence that someone can organize this without failures, breakdowns and serious overlays? In my opinion, no. Because before self -government you also need to grow a little. This is a matter of development. Servards of stewards should be created that would work together both with fans and with clubs.
- I will still return to the role of the police. Did she change in Kazan to her principles of traditional rigidity?
No, stiffness was quite enough this time. But for example, in Moscow, all banners are photographed before they are entered in the sector.
Swastika, I think that they were drawn already along the way. The most egregious element of the plot from a technical point of view is the most insignificant. This can be done on the sector by a felt -tip pen. But when banners are photographed before the match, it is known who carries them. Now, does the Kazan police have information about who brought this banner and who was supposed to represent it? If this is not, then these are already questions for the police - besides those who came up with this banner
Who should be responsible: club, fans, police, stadium?
I believe that the responsibility should be solid. The police are to blame. The club should be responsible. It will be fair. Here one more thing should be noted. After the fans of Zenit were hanging that vile banner about Leo Yashin, he was created, meanwhile, very wrong, from my point of view, a precedent: Zenit was punished with an empty stands with empty stands. You can not close football for the audience. But now, if Spartak is prescribed a symmetrical punishment, I, as a spartak fan, will be very unpleasant, but I understand that this is inevitable. Because for such things, since they began to punish it, then this should be punished. But, perhaps, then this measure should be excluded, because it still will not stop anyone. This is a prophylactic work with fans, and with society, and with the police. In the meantime, a banner with a swastika to the podium is easier to carry than a lighter.