The end of the era. Yuri Luzhkov for 20 years was a Moscow mayor, led the Russian capital under Gorbachev, and under Yeltsin, and Putin, and under Medvedev. And literally in a month and a half, he lost his office, and even with the formulation of the president "due to the loss of trust." At the end of October 2010, the Office on Tverskaya, 13, was occupied by Prime Minister Sergei Sobyanin, and the offices yesterday powerful Moscow officials began to quickly change the signs on the doors. At the end of the year, the new mayor also fired the deputy Luzhkov on the economy of Yuri Roslyak. Meanwhile, the daughter of the former mayor, back in September, Moscow State University Students, moved to live and study in London, the wife and richest woman of the country Elena Baturina filed lawsuits against the new Moscow government and also receives claims in response, and banks and entrepreneurs close to the state are in Vienna, where her business is traded, the Intaco company. Baturina representatives claim that she is offered funny money for a business - $ 400 million, representatives of buyers explain it with risks, billionthed debt company and the inability to evaluate its market value in the new conditions, when the husband is no longer the mayor, but the head of the department of one of the Moscow universities, which runs between Moscow, Vienna and London. How and why the most powerful married couple of the country had once left the pedestal-The New Times in the fall, in the fall, corrected the heroes of this story in detail, here we print only excerpts from those many hours of conversations to the President of Russia, which published on its New Times, extremely sharp. The application for withdrawal from the United Russia party is also not too diplomatic. You seem to burn bridges behind you. They ("United Russia") did not support and did not protect their party member, whom the press on the command from the Kremlin began to liquidate /.../
On the day of the president’s decree on your resignation (09/28/2010), you said that you are going to politics and intend to fight for the return of the mayor’s elections. Confirm? Certainly. I have no right to play. If I decided, I say, and I say firmly, and I will realize.
Do you understand that you can be where Khodorkovsky is now? Well, I think this: everyone needs their own Khodorkovsky.
Will you form your own party? I will form my own movement.
After two weeks of films on the State Academy of Sciences, your ratings went down. Two weeks? No, they have already begun to lower with the statements that Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) was wrong, approving my early return from the vacation
** On August 10, 2010, at a meeting with Luzhkov, Putin said: “Of course, you did the right thing that you returned from vacation,” you did it in a timely manner ”.. Immediately followed the answer (from the Kremlin):“ Well, he returned, but he returned late ... ”The unnamed source in the Kremlin said.
They didn’t call under the carpets, they didn’t say that they should return from vacation? Well, what are you talking about? Of course not.
Have you met on September 17 and 26 with the head of the presidential administration? Yes.
You write in your letter to the president that when the head of his administration, Sergei Naryshkin, said that “has an order to raise the question of dismissal”, you asked Naryshkin: “What are the grounds for early termination of powers ...” There was a response distrust.
Were the presidential administration or personally the president of any claim before all this parach began on the channels? Never. Never. On the contrary, the president supported my initiative /.../ on the informatization of the regions (in 2009).
When was the last time you met with the president? For a long time already. For a long time.
They wrote that you had a personal meeting with Putin. This is true? No, not true.
That is, neither with the president nor with the prime minister have you met in the last two weeks? The last meeting was with Putin when he invited me to Kolomna to analyze questions in burning forests, in fires. And there was only a question of our measures to restore villages.
Have you tried in recent weeks (before resignation) to achieve a meeting with the prime minister or with the president? No. I do not feel any grounds that could generate any complaints about my work. If managers have complaints to me, invite, I will explain, or I will explain, or I will take some steps to fix these claims, if reasonable, to correct it. I did not see any questions, any complaints to me. I saw something else: the beginning of the election campaign in which Moscow should vote as the high leadership wants. And here there is some incomprehensible mayor of Moscow, which can bury. Need your own /.../ with which it is easier, which will be more flexible ...
The comment of The New Times:as it became now known to The New Times, the mayor in that conversation (September 29, 2010) ricked: Yuri Luzhkov tried to get through to Putin, but he never picked up and did not call back. In the close environment of the former mayor, it is claimed that back in 2007, Vladimir Putin promised Luzhkov that he would at least finalize the end of the term (he expired in June 2011) and generally leave Tverskaya then, "when he himself wants it." Sources close to the presidential administration (and this was confirmed and surrounded by the mayor), they say that when President Medvedev began the campaign for the resignation of the Moscow Mayor, the first deputy prime minister Igor Sechin, one of the most trusted people of the prime minister, advised Luzhkov “not to twitch” and not submit a resignation application. What did Naryshkin mean when he said that if you serve at your own free will, will you leave calmly? Is it true that you were offered the post of chairman of the Federation Council? Head of Olympstroy? ** Not true.
Naryshkin told you: “If you submit an application for care, we ...” Then what followed? We will let you go calmly.
What does it mean - calm? Calm - this means the mayor will not be persecuted, the Inteco will not be persecuted and the mayor's wife.
These words were pronounced? No. This was meant.
And no post, work - nothing was proposed? Nothing was proposed at all. After all, the main reason is that they determined me with a stranger.
For flaggoki? To whom? Who "they" determined? Stranger. Well, if you want, to the president and his environment. There is a group of divorces ... Natalya Timakova and the famous Surkov, famous for everyone.
Is it true that Vladislav Surkov called you? Surkov called me. And I met with Surkov as part of the Yaroslavl forum.
And when you were in Austria, didn’t you call? I called. He congratulated me on my birthday and asked me to congratulate him in turn too: he had a birthday on the same day. I congratulated him too. And we had a conversation more on my part in which I said that they were in this way moving the situation ... I did not tell anyone about our conversation with Naryshkin and absolutely no one knew why I went to him on September 17 /.../
Was it your request or Naryshkin called and invited? Well, of course, no. Naryshkin invited me, he was a little excited. And when he said that, here, Yuri Mikhailovich, the situation was in such a way that I should declare that the president decided to resign you and you have two options: to leave at your own request or you will be resigned by distrust. And I say: "Is this decision, is it already solid?" He says: "Absolutely solid." I understood from this “absolutely firm” that I have no sense to explain to me already, this decision after this wild campaign (on television) was already a second step to resign me, or, as it is now called, “renounce”. I told him: “Sergey Evgenievich, tell me, well, well,“ your own desire ”, of course. But “by distrust” what is based on? The president was neither publicly nor personally made a single claim to me. Let’s so, after all, tell me what this distrust is based on? ” He says: “Well, Yuri Mikhailovich, you need to draw these conclusions, these articles that appeared (in the newspaper Moscow Komsomolets and in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta in early September 2010 - The New Times), these are articles that drive a wedge between the first two leaders of the state.” I say: “Well, firstly, wedge, this is not my task. I myself am a statesman, and I have nothing to do with their relationships at all. Secondly, I did not write an article in the MK. And the article on the Khimkinsky forest is mine. I wrote it at the request of the presidential administration. ”
And who specifically asked you? Surkov. He called, asked to do an analysis and express his opinion. I gave this analysis to him ...
Personally in your hands? Personally in hand. I told him: “Listen, why are you me ... - We are with him on“ you ”, he is with me on“ you ”, and I apologize, sometimes I abuse, yes, why are you drawing me into this business?” The Khimkinsky forest is the Moscow region. The Moscow-Sank-Petersburg highway is not built by us. He says: "We need an objective point of view." He thought that I would express this objective point of view in favor of another option for building this very road. I dismantled all these options, along with the leaduquerkitecture I looked how many forests were already cut out there. I looked at three more options. From the point of view of the economic and from the point of view of the work already done, it is useless to say anything about some other option. And I wrote my opinion to them
* 14.12. 2010 The Government of the Russian Federation decided to launch the route along the original route, one of the arguments: out of 100 hectares of forest, which must be cut down for laying the route, 80 hectares have already been cut down ..
Who handed over to this opinion to the Russian Newspaper, you yourself? I myself, of course, is my article.
But did Surkov previously saw her? Surkov did not see the article. Materials of this article, materials and scheme, there were a large number there, the roll of these very schemes, of course, saw the Surkov. I told him ... They expected another, you know. They expected the president to suspend (construction of the highway. - The New Times) - and everyone would agree at once. But we are not the opinion of one person. We are very different ... by the way, the information skipped that the mayor expressed an opinion about the need to continue the highway in the Khimki forest in order not to affect the interests of his wife, who had the land in Molzhaninov. As for the interests, this is complete idiocy: if someone owns the land through which some route can pass, this is happiness for the owner of this land. All films according to the gangster in Italian, in Sicily, all about the fact that they force them to plan the passage of the highway through the lands that belong to them. The state pays huge money. And we have economic freaks who say: “And if this highway would go through the lands that belong to this“ Inteko ”, then this would be bad for Inteko.” In addition, these were not the lands of Inteko. These were urban lands transferred for design.
Returning to a conversation with Surkov when he called you for your birthday. Did you talk to him about the situation? Yes, sure…
He told you too - file an application? No. He ... I think he knew about my conversation with Naryshkin, because it was
17th, and the birthday of the 21st (September). I think I knew. In short, the conversation ended with congratulations.
Some kind of panopticum. What, nevertheless, from your point of view, has become a trigger? I answer: the trigger was not articles, but the reason. You need to have a certain temporary lag in order to put your person on Moscow. So that he can get used to the city system, take over the management of management and provide elections of the 11th year and, most importantly, provide elections of the 12th year.
Vladimir Putin said that your main mistake was that you were not able to debug not developed from the very beginning of relations with President Medvedev. What exactly did Prime Minister Putin mean? Well, this must be asked in more detail. I can say ... to debug relationships - this means entering his team.
Here you are talking all the time - Medvedev, Medvedev, and what was the prime minister’s position on this issue? The position of the prime minister is unknown to me. And in my opinion, no one is known to anyone. At least, we did not communicate with him on this issue.
You were the mayor of the capital's city and you want to say that not a single person from the government spoke to you? No. Listen, not a single person from the Kremlin or from the White House explained what the problem that anticipated all these further events. Not one ... except for an unnamed source in the Kremlin ...
Elena Baturina - The New Times (09/16/2010):
Interview by The New Times magazine Elena Baturina, President of Inteko, gave on Skype from Austria
Who, from your point of view, was the customer of the propaganda campaign on three federal channels directed against you and your husband?
The customer of this campaign is defined and it is called “an unnamed source in the Kremlin” (laughs). Moreover, the “unnamed source in the Kremlin” first appeared on NTV, then appeared on federal channels. So, I think this is just a regular unit in the Kremlin. So it is called: “Unnamed source in the Kremlin”! (Laughs.)
According to our information, the NTV team was broadcast on the first series of incriminating evidence “The Case in Ketka” (09/10/2010) was given to the deputy head of the Presidential Administration Alexei Gromov.
For you, this source is “named”, but for the public it is still “unnamed”. This is by and large akin to Soviet anonymous anonymous ... What is the difference from the Stalin time? Then, in order to plant someone, the NKVD still demanded that a neighbor write an anonymous. We have those who plant them at the same time. ... Yes, I think this is the presidential administration.
Are you afraid of criminal prosecution?
I must tell you that over the twenty years of my marriage, I was threatened with criminal prosecution repeatedly.
Including the authorities?
Only the authorities. Nobody threatened me more /.../
Who is this time “poked” - on you or the mayor?
On the mayor, of course.
Didn't you offer negotiations?
No!
And in Moscow they say that in fact a negotiation position is built with you ... The capital is full of rumors, that the security forces will try to pick up your business, at least in Moscow, or to pick up a share. They also call the figure: $ 2 billion.
Two billion dollars - what? Is my company so much? She is much more expensive, says Forbes! $ 2.9 billion! Listen, it was much easier to do it during the crisis, when we all were almost on the thread. What now to take, since we all got out? Then really attempts to take a number of companies to the hands of people were. We are not an oil company, but we do not have a well that throws money upstairs. And not gas. Developer business - it is quite complicated. And this is not God the news what assets are actually, which would be interesting from the point of view of the raider attack. Well, some entrepreneurs there still, say, yes, could decide on it. State structures - I do not think.
Then you explain why this campaign against the mayor of Moscow has now begun now?
I think that people in the presidential administration on the eve of 2012 want stability in their position ...
But the mayor of Luzhkov and so provided United Russia with 92% of the places in the Moscow City Duma /.../ Then it is all the more not clear why to remove Luzhkov now?
Because, as we probably assume with you, there is a conflict: who will claim the role of the president in 2012 ... We have two applicants, as it were. This question is open. And there are people in the presidential administration who are afraid that the mayor, when approaching the elections, may take a position not President Medvedev, but Putin Premier. Although, as we understand perfectly, probably these people, since they all twisted so, they must agree among themselves. But the people who are sitting in large posts probably want to make this situation non -alternative. Honestly, I suggested this in the fall of last year. That the situation, when it is necessary to discredit the mayor of Moscow, will certainly be on the eve of these elections.
And so help Medvedev?
Well, in fact, yes. I think that his hesitation simply want to wash off this wave of shit that they threw away.
Are you convinced that Medvedev is interested in filming Luzhkov on the eve of 2011-2012?
I think that some functionaries of his administration are interested in this.
Is it possible - so that all the main players retain their face?
This does not happen in principle that all sides keep the face. Someone probably shakes it anyway. You can’t do anything here.
But do you understand that this is a war with the president and the Kremlin?
With the president - I do not really understand. What with the Kremlin - I see. /.../ But, probably, it is initially necessary to make the claims themselves to the mayor. They, in fact, are not voiced.
*** On September 28, 2010, when visiting China, President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev signed Decree No. 1183 “On the early termination of the powers of the Moscow Mayor”, paragraph 1 of which read: “To renounce Yuri Mikhailovich Luzhkov from the post of Moscow mayor in connection with the loss of confidence in the President of the Russian Federation.”
