"If you knew how many threats I get on social networks"

State Duma deputy Olga Batalin (EP) told PublicPost, as forbidden by adoption by the Americans and how they will facilitate it for Russians.

- The sources of the Rain TV channel claim that in fact the authors of the Law of Dima Yakovlev were Volodin and you. This is true?

No, not true. But this does not mean that I do not support him. The bill was immediately introduced by representatives of four factions - we have such a practice.

- Why then were you called, what do you think?

I understand why they called me. Because when discussing the law, amendments related to the ban on adoption came to the fore. In fact, they, of course, are related to my committee - on the issues of family, women and children. And I expressed my position more actively than other deputies. It is explained by my professional involvement in this process.

- At the same time, this is not your idea?

This is not my idea.

- Whose? Someone was the first to say: "Let's do this."

The law was initiated by the State Duma chairman Sergei Naryshkin with the participation of representatives of four factions, and this is not the first bill that is born in the Duma in this way. At the same time, the bill in the first reading of these positions (amendments on orphans - approx. Ed.) Did not contain. The authors of specific amendments are known, there is no intrigue in this. After the law in the first reading was considered, Elena Afanasyeva from the LDPR spoke on one of the five -minute, which proposed to dence the agreement with the states - and appropriate corrections for denunciation arose. The second amendment continued this logic - and was made by Ekaterina Lakhova. The amendments just have authors - and there is no intrigue here.

- A new bill - on the simplification of the procedure for adopting orphans by Russians - is he now at what stage?

You, apparently, mean the presidential decree. On December 28, Vladimir Putin signed a decree on measures to protect orphans, it contains a huge list of requirements and instructions that should be implemented for specific dates. Naturally, each body is underway to implement this decree, because the terms are very tough - February 15, March 1, and the decree is complex, conceptual.

- That is, the law or amendments to existing laws - they are not?

They will be, but so far are being developed. There will be a lot of things, not only amendments to the laws. I think there will be changes in a large number of government decisions, departmental orders, administrative regulations. Simultaneously with the third reading of the "Law of Dima Yakovlev", we adopted the State Duma statement about the need to simultaneously develop the Institute of National Adoption. And a working group was created under the leadership of the vice-speaker, secretary of the General Council of United Russia, Sergei Nevov, who took up the collection, search for initiatives, proposals aimed at solving this problem. This group with open membership, 6 subgroups in the directions work in it. When the decree was signed, the second working group appeared-on its implementation, it is headed by the vice speaker Lyudmila Shvetsova. The Working Group Nevarov is not related to the deadlines for the execution of the decree, the proposals that we develop, we will send to both the Shvetsova group and other interested structures. In addition, ministries, departments, and public organizations work simultaneously.

This is exactly the simplification of the adoption procedure itself, that package of documents that must be collected for adoption, and for custody, and for a foster family.

- When I collected documents, it did not seem to me that the procedure is so very complicated.

See what conclusions we came to: today, in order to collect all the documents for all departments, you need to spend from 2.5 to 6 months, especially in cases where a person lives not at the place of permanent registration.

Firstly, we propose to increase the duration of the medical report on the health status of a person who wants to adopt a child up to six months (now it is three months). This document is needed both for obtaining the conclusion of the guardianship authorities about the possibility of becoming an adoptive parents, and when the court made a decision on adoption. For three months, as a rule, people do not have time to collect documents and choose a child, which means that they have to undergo a medical examination and receive an opinion on the court session.

In addition, we believe that the examination should be free for citizens. Secondly, we propose to reduce the deadline for registration of a certificate from the internal affairs bodies confirming the lack of criminal records from 30 to 10 days. And, which is still important, we propose to exclude from the documents a certificate of compliance with residential premises by sanitary and technical rules and norms and do this only if, according to the results of an examination of the living conditions of a citizen, the guardianship authority comes to the conclusion that the residential premises are not complicated. Today, such a certificate is issued by two structures - Rospotrebnadzor in terms of sanitary standards and a management company in terms of technical standards. At the same time, to receive a certificate, it is still required to come to guardianship and receive the corresponding written request. As a result, we calculated, the procedure for collecting documents is reduced to 1-2 months.

- By the way, according to medical indicators: there are people who live for many years and successfully fight oncology, or people with HIV - they could well be adoptive parents, but according to the procedure they will not be given a child.

This issue is now being resolved now. There was a representative of the Ministry of Health on the working group, and he said that the draft order of the Ministry of Health is being prepared, which changes the list of diseases that do not allow a person to be an adoprite. On the other hand, the associations of the sympolitic families more than once complained about this-we have many people with neurological disorders. The child’s upbringing requires adequacy, tolerance, calmness of internal, and the presence of neurological diseases can result in violence, into cruelty.

“I cannot argue with any of your suggestions.” Of course, 10 days to receive a certificate from the Ministry of Internal Affairs about the absence of a criminal record is better than 30 days, and an increase in the validity of certificates from dispensaries up to six months will also be more convenient. But do you really think that such measures will really increase the number of people who want to adopt? After all, if a person decided to take a child, he, as I can see, will pass these procedures in any case - whether they are more convenient or less convenient to pass.

It is clear that we are only at the beginning of the journey-comprehensive proposals on how, for example, to reform the system of medical support for orphans, including after their transfer to the family, they are still ahead-they are now in work. Although, it seems to me, there are no trifles in matters of adoption. And there are a lot of complaints about the bureaucraticization of procedures.

You can, of course, is completely closed, showing nothing to anyone, to work for one and a half to two months and in two months to give comprehensive offers that will demonstrate the seriousness of the proposed measures. But, in my opinion, this is wrong. It is important that at all stages of the development of proposals, they are accompanied by a public discussion - they are weighed, tried on, analyzed from all sides.

- Where is such a hurry? So many years have passed, so many years in power are certain people. And here is the "Magnitsky Law" - immediately the answer about orphans and immediately the working groups on the implementation of the decree ...

In fact, all state policy is always a matter of choosing priorities. There is a certain point, which, as a rule, is provoked by exacerbation of the problem or its updating through external circumstances, the emergence of financial capabilities. This question about whether it appeared in a timely manner, can be set according to any program, on any initiative. The main thing is that it appeared.

The program for modernization of healthcare, for example, also appeared in a particular, certain period. This did not mean that it should not have appeared earlier - but circumstances, opportunities coincided at that moment.

- Here is the last initiative: the New Gazeta collected more than 140 thousand signatures of Russians under the requirement to cancel the amendment on the ban on the adoption of Russian orphans by the Americans. Will you consider this bill?

The deputies who introduced the bill on the cancellation of the ban on the adoption of our children by Americans, and themselves perfectly understand its futility. Of course, he (the bill - approx. Ed.) Will pass all the stages of the procedure - there is no reason not to consider it, there are uniform requirements for the passage of the bill in the walls of the State Duma. It is clear that a certain amount of time will be spent on it, although the result is already clear today.

- Or maybe this is a chance for deputies to change your mind?

You in vain think that there are deputies who made a decision in some fever, or in a hurry, or having not thought of something there.

“I don’t think so, but I think that there were deputies who voted for the law without much desire and would prefer that it would not be introduced at all.”

I do not belong to such deputies, I made my decision absolutely meaningfully.

“There are no doubts about you.”

I have an absolute understanding that in addition to the additional number of information reasons related to certain deputies who have introduced this bill (canceling the corrections to ban the adoption of Russian orphans by Americans - approx. Ed.), This whole procedure will not give anything to a particular child. Everyone perfectly understands the futility of this work, so there is nothing besides naked PR in this. The time spent on the procedure for passing the bill with a deliberately negative result could have been spent much more efficiently - at least on the development of internal adoption institutions, there is something to do.

- The task, as I understand it, was to react to the initiative of citizens. 140 thousand verified signatures are a lot.

There are always a lot of signatures. We have against the laws in which we saw a ghost of juvenile justice, with a request not to accept them, more than 130 thousand signatures were received in boxes. I did not check them - maybe they are repeated there. The collection was engaged in the public organization "The essence of time" by Sergey Kurginyan. They rallies, pickets, processions carried out against this law.

-Well, nevertheless, Kurginyan did not collect such a number of protesters as it was on the last march on January 13.

Each organizer considers his protest the most important and most massive.

- You didn't go to the march? Lakhova came to watch.

I have two children with whom I was doing at that time. But I watched it, of course.

The march, like any mass event, cannot be homogeneous. The desire for a better life for children is an understanding that any person has. There is only a difference in understanding how to achieve this best life. Why, unlike the protesters, I do not think that the adoption in the United States for a number of children was the only way to find a family? Because, unlike many others who are less dedicated to the real state of affairs, I see that the children who are adopted by the Americans are exactly the same children who are adopted in addition to Russians by Italians, French, and Spaniards. These are children with about the same diseases, about the same age and in approximately the same amount. In general, no one forbade the process of international adoption as a whole as an institution.

- He has not forbidden yet, but in your Duma, they say, a new initiative is being prepared.

I do not develop or support these rumors. This is the personal initiative of the deputy Fedorov. This is not discussed, and this will not be supported by anyone.

- But immediately, immediately the number of American adoptive parents who will leave Russia will not replace: neither Italians nor the French. From the first of January, European adoptive parents will not be more than several thousand at once.

The dynamics of adoption in a particular country depends largely on the quantity and activity of agencies accredited in Russia. We see a direct dependence between the number of agencies and the number of children who are adopted (in these countries - approx. Ed.). For European countries, an increase in the amount of adoption has recently been observed. In 2011, 956 children were adopted in the United States, a comparable amount in Italy - 798, Spain - 685, France - 283, Germany - 215, Ireland - 129, Israel - 87 children. The preliminary results of the current year are now being summed up, and it is already clear that last year Italy comes first in terms of the number of adopted Russians, the United States, then Spain, France, followed by a significant margin.

- And what to do with the children who have already met the Americans whom they recognized for their parents? They have already prepared rooms for them, built playgrounds.

The process of adoption ends happily, but its passage itself is a chain of small human tragedies. The child is offered to foreigners after several times (at least three) he was shown to Russian parents and Russian parents met him, but they did not make such a decision for themselves. That is, at least three acquaintances, three hopes. Prior to the moment the court decision did not take place, it is extremely dangerous to encourage the child because the court decision is not an automatically accomplished event. The fact that foreign parents picked up the child and agreed to his adoption does not mean that the court decision will be obviously positive. The position of the court may differ from the position of guardianship authorities. In this area, it is no secret - there are a lot of abuse: for example, when there are relatives of the child who are ready to take him under guardianship, or the questionnaires are placed on the refusal, because they planned to give the child to other people. Even if personal contact took place, it is not worth encouraging - this is a difficult emotional situation.

- You are not offended that portraits of deputies, including yours, with the inscriptions "shame" were carried on the march, and then many portraits ended up in the garbage container?

I am used to in my work to the fact that there are dissatisfied. If you knew how many and what threats I get in social networks that I have the courage to lead.

I have this (portraits of deputies on the march, thrown into the garbage container - approx. Ed.) I did not cause any emotional sediment. This is a meaningless, but predicted act. I do not really understand the initiative for the initiative. I do not really understand the march for the sake of a march that does not help any particular child. I do not understand empty activities and I can’t regret that something that could hurt me is happening at such events. Well honestly.

- From the part of some opposition leaders, calls were sounded to include deputies who were moving for the law in the "list of Magnitsky". You are not afraid of such an opportunity?

Does not scare. Not only is it stupid, this kind of decision would put a cross on all inter -parliamentary activities between the United States and Russia. You can close the entrance to all deputies - and then stop the interaction completely.

- Have you been to America?

I have never been. In general, I was very little abroad - there were no reasons for work until work, and I went to rest with my husband several times while there were no children.