Enemy of general practice

In Russia, there are several large communities that deny HIV and AIDS. Their activity leads to the fact that infected people die themselves and slowly kill their children. Report of "such cases"

TD has to thank Dmitry Sidorov for co -authorship and participation in the creation of this material.

"Disassembly with the system"

“You can say for sure that I saved 200-300 people from treatment. This is throughout Russia. From Kursk, maybe two or three. I also bought the domain of the regional AIDS center and put a forwarding on the website of my Foundation "Recovery". "

Alexey Starostenko, president of the self -proclaimed fund, speaks of his activities easily and calmly. According to him, recently, one woman called in the hope of chatting with doctors, but he heard the advice not to continue treatment. In addition, Starostenko is active in propaganda of his views in all major social networks and on the YouTube channel. Only on VKontakte in his group of HIV negatives are there two thousand subscribers.

We talk to Starostenko on the phone.

“I have a long way to this problem,” he says, “and the rich experience of a showdown with the system. I constantly felt that something was wrong in the system. But I figured out who is who. "

Alexey Starostenko Photo: Frame from YouTube video

It is difficult to believe that in 2016, residents of the region with a population of more than a million people cannot get to the website of the most important medical institution. But both Google and Yandex at the request of the “regional Kursk AIDS Center” issue a resource www.aidskursk.ru. When switching to it, there is a forwarding to HIVSPidanet.rf - “public charitable foundation” with an emblem resembling a stylized swastika.

“Make your contribution to the fight against pseudoscience and genocide - enter our groups,” the main page of “recovery” conjures. - Tell us in your own words and send links to this site to your friends and acquaintances. Tell them that the HIV virus does not exist in nature, and AIDS does not have viral origin. It is almost impossible to stop this genocide without your help! " The words are highlighted in red: “Do not test HIV!”, “Do not vaccinate!”

“Once upon a time I was in the hospital, and I came across the ballot“ How to diagnose HIV, ”says Starostenko. -Based on what was written there, some doubts immediately crept in. Before that, I studied herpes for a long time, read a couple of articles about him and then noticed suspiciously similar symptoms: they just took everything from herpes and changed herpes to HIV. ”

"The child is advised to treat fish oil"

“I have long been interested in this topic - medical dissidentism as a whole,” says biologist Anar Hasanov from Orenburg. -About a year ago, I came across a group "HIV-dissidents and their children." There, the doctor monitors different network-dissidents and their fate. He shows what this denial leads to: all these people ultimately end poorly - either death or disability. And sometimes they understand that they were mistaken, and begin to be treated with great delay. ”

Together with his wife, Ekaterina Hasanov created a community that opposes HIV denying. It included several people from Orenburg, Moscow, Samara and other cities.

Anar Gasanov and his wife Catherine Photo: From Personal Archive

“Classical situation: the girl finds out during pregnancy that she has an HIV infection. Or her child, if he has grown. She enters the Internet and gets to HIV dissidents. What is in Google, that in Yandex they are always in the upper positions. The girl begins to convince that there is no need to accept anything; They say that they want to poison the child, ”says Gasanov. - How does this happen? “Everything is in order with your child,” they say. “So everything is fine, do not listen to these doctors.” And when the child becomes worse, they advise you to treat it with fish oil or honey. ”

Starostenko acts in similar logic. In his opinion, “killer doctors” and chemicals and chemicals are to blame for health. “If a person does not drink these medicines,” says Starostenko, “nothing happens to him. However, if HIV is diagnosed in children, they become state property and undergo forced treatment. That is, they are officially subject to destruction - because the decision of the parents does not apply to these children. They are taking possession of these grass doctors who receive salaries for this business. ”

Among the HIV-infected people, this point of view is by no means shared by a few, and this has already caused a number of tragedies, prompting indifferent people to independent struggle against neglects. The first thing the activists are trying to do is to convince HIV-infected people who abandoned their treatment and therapy of their children. Communication is not easy: in nine cases out of ten, the experts exposed to the help of volunteers who are influenced.

In Samara, the 31-year-old neglect of Elmir L. stubbornly disagree to the treatment of his six-year-old son. “The child already has a lot of secondary infections,” says Gasanov sadly. - He practically does not walk, neurological problems began, the lesion of the brain is noticeable - toxoplasmosis or herpes virus. Most likely, this will end in a tragedy. ” Hasanov talks in detail about the efforts applied to save the boy, but emphasizes: the mother has the right to abandon any medical intervention in relation to the child, so activists can only try to convince a woman. They have already turned to all possible instances from guardianship authorities to the Ministry of Health, but received only formal unsubscribes.

Danila, the stepson of another negative negative, was painfully dying for several months. Maxim, a member of the movement of HIV-dissidents, wrote in detail about what is happening with Danila, and how he fights with doctors, preventing the treatment of a child. When the boy died, HIV-dissidents deleted all Maxim’s messages from his group, fearing that such death will become a poor advertisement for their community.

In Kursk, the negativeist Oksana B., which is now the “personal assistant” Starostenko, from agitation passed to more active measures and adopted two HIV-positive children. With the help of Starostenko, she submitted to the AIDS center an official rejection of antiretroviral therapy for now her own children. “The guardianship authorities know well about this problem, but they cannot do anything but to come and talk with their mother, they have no more authority,” Gasanov explains.

In the largest “HIV-dissident” group of VKontakte, almost 15 thousand people consist. Since 2014, 34 participants in this group have died, including at least two children. But we are only talking about cases that are known to activists observing the community.

"HIV is nonsense"

Recently, the history of the Novosibirsk “HIV-terrorist” thundered throughout the country. The 25-year-old rapper Dmitry M. in one of the online vulnections admitted that he slept with dozens of girls, casually informing him of his HIV infection.

“Over the past six months after the divorce, I had almost 37 girls, nine of them were checked for HIV-none of them had a positive analysis, although I was a plus. So, even if you are in the plus, have sex calmly and enjoy. HIV is nonsense, ”the musician wrote on one of the pages of VKontakte.

Soon after this, the young man was detained by security forces - however, not for the distribution of HIV ( infected, knowing about his condition, is responsible for the transfer of sexually transmitted. - TD ), but for communication with a minor. On February 20, he was arrested at the request of the regional investigative committee. It will also be checked for HIV, and if the disease is really discovered, this will become an aggravating circumstance.

Attention to Dmitry was attracted by activists who are struggling with HIV denyers. “The 14-year-old girl indicated to us, and we sent him Levchenko, assistant Pavel Astakhov, and she had already promoted the story. We talked a lot with this Dmitry, he loved to tell that he had opened the conspiracy-a little more and expose all the "scum". It seems that his HIV-dissidentiality is not a actress, but just stupidity. He is just a nearby person, ”Hasanov emphasizes.

HIV-dissidentiality is not a actress, but just stupidity

It is not known whether Dmitry came to his ideas on his own, or he was helped, but judging by his VKontakte page, the rapper was a number of HIV-dissident groups, including in the community of the Recovery Foundation, which is headed by Starostenko. And among his friends, the odious HIV-discident himself is also listed.

“I talked with the Novosibirsk rapper,” Starostenko admits. - The guy, without understanding, decided to plunge with his head into this whole system and feel it from the inside. He wants to show how the machine to destroy people works. ”

"I am waiting for a license to kill from the prosecutor's office"

“My family was faced with HIV in 2009,” Starostenko tells about the formation of his views. - In 2009, my wife called and said that she was diagnosed. Before that, in a year and a half, I found out that HIV is a mystification, a scam. When my wife informed me, I was scared, and then slowly began to delve into. ”

Starostenko recorded a meeting with the doctors of the regional AIDS Center about the health of his wife. The record shows how doctors (in the description of the video are called zombies) unsuccessfully trying to explain the severity of the situation.

Then, as Starostenko said in a telephone conversation with TD, he persuaded his wife not to drink any medicine. A conversation with TD-like a conversation with doctors-he also recorded and posted on his YouTube channel. “Starostenko writes down all telephone conversations,” explains Gasanov. -He believes that he collects incriminating evidence for the creators of HIV-Genocide. He believes that when the scam is revealed, he will have evidence that he was almost killed. ”

Communicating with journalists, Starostenko speaks in a calm and even insinuating tone, but he seems to be meaningful in places in some places, and then, finally, he approaches the main thing-who is behind HIV-Genocide.

“All means of mass misinformation are controlled by the same ethnic group,” Starostenko suddenly issues, referring to the Jews. He made this conclusion by studying the names of the leading doctors in HIV problems. He immediately adds that even nurses in AIDS-centers “everyone knows and go there for money; Some people kill others for a salary. ”

The allegations of murders sound from the mouth of Starostenko ironically - he himself loves to threaten death. “Laying photos with a gun in his hands, he writes that he will soon go to kill the creators of HIV genocide,” says Gasanov. “He wrote openly: the time will come soon, we will burn AIDS centers.”

Starostenko Equipping a shotgun store photo: frame from YouTube video

“I am waiting for a license to kill from the prosecutor's office,” Ekaterina Anar Gasanova writes Starostenko in a public discussion. “Maybe you’ll have time, a imperfection virusologist.” You see, 25 grams of lead and a caliber of 12 millimeters will chew the brain and accelerate the process of assimilation of dissident materials. ” Or: "In your place I would buy myself a weapon of self -defense, I assure you - it should be useful ... I have a serious roof, which you refused."

Letters with the call to “stop genocide” are sent on his behalf to all instances, from the Prosecutor General and the FSB to Vladimir Putin. One of them says that inaction can provoke "Lynch's court over certain creators of the genocide." Long before Ramzan Kadyrov, Starostenko published photos of Vadim Pokrovsky and Alexei Mazus - leading Russian specialists in the field of HIV - on whom they are taken to the sight.

From the point of view of Starostenko, ultimately the genocide is not only scientists and doctors involved in HIV-probletics, and not even earlier mentioned ethnic groups.

Recently, I had a suspicion that this someone is not a person, but an essence

“Someone is managing Jews too, this is a tool. They have certain talents, and someone uses these talents. Recently, I had a suspicion that this someone is not a person, but an essence. The very essence that the collective mind generates. Let's call it egregore. ”

"With his decree, he canceled AIDS"

When it seems that it is no longer possible to hear anything more crazy, it turns out that Starostenko is the Supreme Commander -in -Chief of the Armed Forces and the head of the Kursk region. With one amendment - he occupies these posts not in the Russian state, but in the Soviet.

At a meeting with his supporters, Starostenko explains his picture of the world: the Soviet Union continues to exist, and the Russian Federation and other countries that arose after its collapse are American or Jewish corporations created for the genocide of Soviet citizens. Conclusions from this follow the mass. For example, Starostenko offers to take bank loans on the Russian passport and not to give, "this is not a passport, but Ausweis."

HIV and AIDS in the USSR of the 2016 model was simply canceled. “After all, they have the president,” Gasanov explains. - Starostenko declared himself only the head of the Kursk region. He publishes different laws: for example, he forbade to believe in the existence of HIV. ” The President of all of the USSR is a certain Sergey Taraskin , part -time acting of the Garry of the Constitution of the USSR, the acting of the Supreme Commander -in -Chief of the Armed Forces of the USSR, the acting of the Supreme Legislator of the USSR and the acting of the Supreme judge of the USSR.

"This is not included in my functionality"

“The statistics of us, as in any region, are 5-7% of the refuseniks,” Victoria Baryshnikova irritates irritably. She is a doctor of the highest qualification category and the head of the regional center for the prevention and combating of AIDS and infectious diseases. - Sometimes everything is fine, sometimes there is a wave - several people refuse treatment right after another. Then someone will return, someone will refuse again.

- What can you say about Starostenko? It is so dangerous, how much it might seem?

-If he even convinces one person to leave treatment, a person will die in two to three years, and not after 25-30 years, as medicine now allows. How to evaluate whether he did severe harm or not? I have a patient who refused treatment, reasoning with the words from the Starostenko website. Maybe she talked to him, maybe she read his site, or maybe herself is so smart.

-What are you doing to combat HIV negators?

- I do not consider myself obliged to fight such sites, this is not included in my functionality. What should I go online and write to him that he is a bad person? I believe that it’s funny to talk to him at all. HIV infection exists definitely. To deny it is how to refuse that the sun rises.

HIV infection exists definitely, it is like refusing the fact that the sun rises

The doctor refused to answer questions about the substitution of the AIDS Center and threats from Starostenko and hung up the phone.

But in the words of Baryshnikova there is not a word of lies-the functionality of AIDS centers workers does not really include an “ideological struggle”. Nevertheless, in many cases, life depends on such a struggle: the psychological state of a person who first learned about his diagnosis becomes the first step into the trap of the denial of his own illness.

"You can live with HIV"

Former HIV-desktress Julia Vereshchagina learned about her diagnosis from her parents. From her native St. Petersburg, she moved to the village in the Krasnoyarsk Territory-to care for a sick mother. There, after the operation to remove appendicitis, the rural paramedic, violating the medical secret, came to her family and talked about suspicion of AIDS.

Julia Vereshchagina and her husband Artem photo: From the personal archive

“And she said:“ AIDS. ” Shock? Weakly said! Hysteria, tears, denial, ”says Julia. - Most of all she worried about her mother and cursed the doctor. I did not know anything about the virus, except that it was a stigma, a plague of the 21st century and a deadly disease. She began to dig information on the network and stumbled upon HIV dissidents. I convinced myself that HIV does not exist, and in everything a purulent appendicitis, climate change, a crafted lifestyle, and stress from moving were to blame. Having convinced my parents and my boyfriend, I safely forgot about the diagnosis. ”

An infectious disease doctor, who treated the girl, added oils to the fire, like a “whore-narcomancer” and repelled any desire to appear in the hospital. Soon Julia returned to Petersburg. After some time, her health began to deteriorate, with each another sore it became more difficult to deny reality. Finally, she again decided on the test, this time anonymous. Its results were unequivocal - HIV+.

Julia managed to overcome fear, and she visited a group of mutual assistance for people living with HIV. “I was preparing for anything, but fear left when I talked with those who live with HIV for 10-15 years and was not going to die. I saw moms happy with healthy children born on antiretroviral therapy. So I realized that you can and should live with HIV. ”

Recently, Julia was 30 years old. She taught informatics and mathematics at school, and now she works in a company engaged in comprehensive offices. For the soul, she is engaged in photography, and in her free time she leads a group of mutual assistance for HIV-infected people, trying to help the victims of the negative. Одна из них, беременная Мария Р. из Нижнего Новгорода, была настолько убеждена в отсутствии угрозы для здоровья, что не стала принимать профилактические препараты, позволившие бы ей родить здорового ребенка.

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«Ей поставили диагноз во время беременности, — рассказывает Юлия. — Ребенок был долгожданный. Когда она узнала, что у нее ВИЧ, началась паника. Она полезла в Интернет и сразу попала в группу ВИЧ — МИФ ( самая большая диссидентская группа. — ТД ). Там я увидела ее комментарии. Она писала, что ребенку все хуже и хуже, что он при смерти. Когда она все-таки согласилась отвести ребенка на обследование, там был уже глубокий СПИД. Последствия для ребенка оказались необратимыми: в два года девочка не может самостоятельно сидеть, говорить, и у нее поврежден мозг. Терапию нужно было начинать в первый же день жизни!»

История самой Юлии имеет счастливое продолжение, — в группе взаимопомощи она познакомилась с будущим мужем, на тот момент 13 лет знавшем о своем диагнозе.

«Сейчас все мои страхи перед терапией ушли окончательно. Мужу, кстати, тоже схему дважды меняли, пока не подобрали ту, что не дает побочек. Знание убирает страх, а опыт других помогает убрать шаблоны и стереотипы».

«Логово дьявола»

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«Не тестируйтесь на ВИЧ. Это ловушка, а СПИД-центры — это логово дьявола, в котором вас обязательно убьют», — этот комментарий, подписанный «Алексей Старостенко», может увидеть любой желающий. За такими словами легко увидеть отчаяние одинокого безумца, но это не так. Старостенко — человек семейный, а жена Наталья родила ему двоих детей; одного уже после того, как у нее нашли ВИЧ.

«Когда врачи сказали, что у меня ВИЧ, я поверила им, потому что была не осведомлена, — делится Наталья. — Но очень скоро я поняла, что это сомнительное заболевание, и перестала в него верить. На здоровье не жалуюсь, замечательно себя чувствую. У меня двое детей, последний был рожден уже с диагнозом. В СПИД-центр мы их не водили».

На вопрос о ребенке Наталья отвечает, что он совершенно здоров, и лечить его она не даст.

«Ему сейчас пять лет. Они тоже хотели его протестировать, но мы не дали этого сделать. Они мне угрожали, что в прокуратуру пойдут, лишат меня ребенка и материнских прав и будут творить с ним, что хотят. На меня это не подействовало, я просто не дала им этот эксперимент сделать».

Вместе с мужем Наталья записывает видео, на которых называет антиретровирусные препараты ядами и призывает остановить «тридцать лет антинаучного террора». Вслед за супругом она призывает ни в коем случае не тестироваться.

— Вы сами проверялись на ВИЧ? — Это последний вопрос, который ТД задают Старостенко.

— После 2009 года я проверялся. У меня выскочила бородавка на указательном пальце. Холодом бы ее заморозить, а врач мне говорит: чтобы мы вами занимались, вам надо тест на ВИЧ сдать. Я спросил: «Вы что, прикалываетесь надо мной? Какой ВИЧ, его же в природе не существует». Сдал я все и спросил: «Как вы можете мою бородавку с ВИЧ связать?» А она ответила, что если эта инфекция проявляется, то значит, у организма упал иммунитет. Ну а я вышел, вылил на себя два ведра ледяной воды, и через два месяца все у меня пропало. Но даже если бы показало ВИЧ, я бы никаких волнений не испытывал.

«Не дали поссать сходить, за следующие полчаса я бы многое успел рассказать», — сокрушается у себя на странице Алексей Старостенко по поводу интервью ТД. Его единомышленники подбадривают оптимистичным прогнозом: «Ничего, этот материал будет хорошим гвоздем в крышку гроба спидобратии». «Я сомневаюсь, что материал вообще увидит свет», — отвечает Старостенко.