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Hope for negotiations
An unexpected turn in the political career of Nadezhda Savchenko.
So far, the majority believed that she would leave the Russian prison Hawk, she herself called for direct negotiations with the leaders of the self -proclaimed republics in eastern Ukraine. This happened in the program of Matvey Ganapolsky on Radio Era. "New Gazeta" offers a complete decoding of the conversation in translation into Russian:
The first thing I see in the Minsk agreements is to be a political component. It is necessary to convince the neighbor that he acted poorly, not fraternally, as they like to say. And that he needs to leave. Further. I really do not want to clean blood, as Russia did in Chechnya and continues now, Donbass with such methods. I want to find mutual understanding with these people. I know that we will have to learn to forgive. <...>
First. Continue sanctions against Russia, because she still did not understand that she had to leave. Second: to go directly, without Minsk agreements on their own internal connection with the “DPR” and “LPR”, without the third and fourth side. <...>
Mr. Zakharchenko is not the president, the president of Ukraine we have only one, because Mr. Zakharchenko and Mr. Plotnitsky can be positioned according to the powers of the people's deputies from the “LPR” - “DPR”. The crown will not fall from me. I, as a people's deputy of Ukraine, is always ready to talk to them. <...>
The third step? And let's probably smile at each other, and everything will come out.
With Savchenko, something is directly very interesting, now she will return the Donbass to Ukraine, will become the president, and Zakharchenko as the prime minister.
- Kashin⚓kashin⚓kashin (@kshn) June 7, 2016
Savchenko, who calls for negotiations is an unexpected spectacle, but I can only express my approval to any person who wishes to negotiate, and not wars to the victorious.
Among the Ukrainian patriots, the words of hope are adopted by hostility!
Once a week, Kiselev came to the camera to Savchenko and forced her to look at Vesto-Nedelipro, not to explain her last statements differently
- Putin's cat (@vvputin_cat) June 8, 2016
My friend served with Savchenko in Iraq. From the very beginning of the story, I remembered his assessment of the joint service: it is a hero, but with discipline it was difficult
- Vasily Maximov (@vasilymaximov) June 7, 2016
Forgive the Separs, brutally trying and killing the patriots of Ukraine? Nadia, go to be treated.
- Smerіchka (@_smeritchka) June 3, 2016
On the offer of Nadi to sit at the table negotiations with Zakhar and Tolstoy toad, we will respond together: "Z Ukrainians to love%27th" ... Pic.twitter.com/uyh5AwglWY
- surviving in the mind (@hlopak_) June 7, 2016
The statement of Nadezhda Savchenko about the need for direct negotiations with Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky does not just disappoint, it is contrary to the approved position of Ukraine and international partners. It is precisely such negotiations with the participation of the leaders of separatist groups for 2 years that the Kremlin achieves for 2 years. The only thing I would like to hope that this is a mistake from ignorance of an object than a deliberate action against the national interests of Ukraine. I would like to hear on this subject an explanation of the Fatherland, whether this is a personal point of view of People's Deputy Savchenko or the whole party.
Without personalities. In fact:
1. No “direct negotiations” with traitors and bandits Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky can be, because they are the puppets of Moscow, whose power is on the bayonets of the interventionists, exists on Russian money, and fulfills all the Kremlin’s instructions.
2. The so -called "direct negotiations" with the separatists, and the collaborators of the LPR/DPR mean the denial of Russian aggression, and the translation of the fair liberation war into the status of "internal conflict".
2. The civil war is the internal affair of the state; Therefore, as soon as “direct negotiations” begin, the West (in general) will be relieved to cancel sanctions against Russia, and will resume cooperation with the aggressor in full.
4. Translation of the struggle against aggression into the plane of the "internal conflict" means the actual surrender of Ukraine before the Russian Empire, and the return of the country to the orbit of the interests of the Kremlin.
5. Well, finally, this is immoral, and in the aggregate of all of the above, it is completely absurd and impossible.
As the saying goes to negotiating or do not lead anyway ... Bubble.
Dear friends, whoever said, no one in Moscow is going to return to Ukraine what they "honestly won."
And the criterion of this is precisely what is happening on Earth. The captured Donbass continues to integrate into Russia, by the way, to be fully frank, this is already de facto Russia.
I will clarify something on the issue of "direct negotiations with the DPR-LNR." The conclusion of Ukraine to direct negotiations with the DPR -LNR is one of the intermediate goals of Moscow, which will represent the conflict as internal Ukrainian. Such an action in the Kremlin script is the main in the process of lifting sanctions from Moscow for aggression. That is, with direct negotiations, there will be no reinforcement of sanctions, there will only be a removal.
Next. There are no “people's deputies from the DPR-LNR” by Ner Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, since they are not elected by anyone, but were prescribed de facto overseeing the occupied territories. In addition, they are war criminals.
About Nadia, friends, we all did not love her that she is a thinker, an intellectual and statesman.
And, probably, because she is a sincere, real person, immensely devoted to her country. For the fact that it is an integral person with the rod.
She is not a politician. She is a warrior. I can not understand the reason for your disappointment.
If you had a child, and you should have an operation - would you seek advice to Nadezhda Savchenko?
If you were going to organize a business and you would need a consultation, would you ask what Nadezhda Savchenko thinks?
So why ask her about foreign policy and about government?
The cooks do not ask how to rule the state, but they recognize the recipe for soup. If Nadezhda Savchenko opens helicopter management courses, then she should call her.
I listened to all the interviews - I am sure that this is not an evil intent. She sincerely thinks that it is normal .
Holy simplicity.
How many smarters already writes that Nadia needs to be silent for some time. And it seems to me that for some time they should be silent. #Savchenko
- Auder Muzhdabaev (@aydermuzhdabaev) June 7, 2016
It would be nice to collect all the analysts now seriously who wrote about "Savchenko is the new president", put them in a row, throw them with bread crusts and laugh.
Despite the fact that Savchenko did not say anything criminal, as for me.
Idiots, twisted the words of Nadi, it does not require elections in the Donbass, especially the recognition of the DPR and the LPR, listen to first speech, and then carry nonsense
- Adessa! (@adesaea) June 7, 2016
4 minutes Savchenko says that Russia should be <leave, that Minsk is needed, that we will not change the Constitution, that there will be no elections in the occupied territories, that both military and political decision are needed, but we also need to remain people, we still have to talk about the cleansing, it still will have to be said.
You can see anything you want. I see a politician who is ready to speak with the DPR himself in order to convince them to throw a rash, which should leave [this is my interpretation, what Savchenko actually thinks there, why these negotiations, she did not say. If we have journalists, then we will soon recognize her position]. But there is no question of any recognition: “DPR that LPR, yak stench for itself,” “Hai of Positoiotyot” is not recognition
The last two years, I gave to work on the affairs of Savchenko and other Ukrainians in the Russian Federation. This cannot be done detached, you have to choose the side in this war and so that your choice becomes visible to everyone. I chose the side of the Ukrainians. These are not sofa troops, I live and work in Russia. The parachute dragging the Stirlitz behind the back, clinging to the torn Moscow borders.
That is why I am so annoying to see how people behave like cotton wool on my side. It's not about the color of the ribbon, the fact is how you interact with the world. Do not scream about treason without understanding. You cannot allow yourself to be automatically responding to information markers that slip the news. You can’t be taught to the headline without reading, commenting, without delving. No need to click on the banner "Grandfather Method! 100%! Cancer will leave in a week, if at night ...." - nothing good lies there. A person is given brains, they must be used, including for this. He who does not use it inevitably drifts into the arms of the DPR and Putin, you like it or not. Because Putin is very good at working with those who react on the machine, not including their heads.
As for whether negotiations are useful with Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky. People from the basements need to be pulled out, and right now. They are no worse than those who are sitting in Russian prisons. Their position is even worse and more dangerous.
Novikov’s position split the group of lawyers Savchenko.
I want to ask the Ukrainian audience not to associate me and my work with one of Savchenko’s former lawyers.
Russian commentators suggest that everything that was happening was conceived even before the exchange of Savchenko.
And it seems to me that the three parties agreed. Before the release of Savchenko, of course.
Well, now it’s clear: what is the meaning of the spring-lanter exacerbation in the Donbass?
This pyrotechnic show is part of the Kremlin performance "Nadia - Peacemaker"
Judging by how the events are rapidly developing, the multi -way was not developed at all yesterday and was agreed at the highest level with the participation of all interested parties.
Therefore, if you are not tolerant of indignant with a zrada, send the petitions straight to Whitehouse.gov to grandfather Khusseynych.
In that case, of course, if you confidently consider yourself smarter and more capable of grandfather Khusseynich. Although I would not advise.
Although the supporters of the "Russian world" are also "anger, bargaining and denial."
Savchenko has some split personality in this matter. Just returning, she declared peace through the war, and now - about negotiations. The behavior is unstable. In fact, she was a person who was directly involved in the murder of civilians in the Donbass. So she does not dream of being in the negotiation process. This will be done by other people who did not send troops there, and they themselves did not kill people who admit the guilt of the current government that it unleashed the civil war
Savchenko invited the Ukrainian authorities to begin to promote the reckoning of Donbass in Ukraine, instead of imposing this.
What are you rejoicing, I don't understand.
Andrei Arkhangelsky discusses the Russian reaction in his column "Country of the Deaf" on the "elephant" (carefully, the material is paid!):
Even if Savchenko’s proposal remains rhetoric, in politics and words they matter. Savchenko has already done something important: she took a taboo - for discussing this painful, traumatic topic - primarily for Ukraine itself. The difference between Ukrainian politics and Russian is that almost any politician can remove the taboos there. Yes, the thesis about the role of personality in history may be exaggerated, but there are situations when a person can move a political process from a dead point - for example, the same Minsk process, the dead end of which is indirectly recognized by all parties.
However, this whole story is rather not about Savchenko, but about the loss of political instincts in Russia itself. We have completely forgotten how to “play politics”, missing even the topics that are profitable for us. “Savchenko is a populist, Savchenko does it for the sake of PR,” they repeat with us; But actually, the whole policy is PR in form. And any normal politician actually thinks about this PR day and night, and the Russian leader is no exception. “Savchenko does not want the media to be forgotten about her? ..” But what is the difference why she says all this - she makes an important political statement on the topic that concerns the fate of both countries. And the worst that could be in this case is to pretend that nothing happened.
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Ivan Belyaev
Social Networks Editor Radio Liberty