"If you are prettier than wood, they usually do not give good roles to you"

Interview Anna Chipovskaya and Svetlana Ustinova - about Blockbuster and Volobuev

The box office is “blockbuster”-the second film of Roman Volobuev, who at the Kinotavr announced that he was making his name from the credits due to disagreements with producers. Nevertheless, the picture managed to appeal to both the audience and colleagues of the former film critic. Suddenly, Blockbuster began to be associated with feministic cinema and was almost proclaimed by the Russian Telma and Louise. At the request of Medusa, Yegor Moskvitin talked about the “blockbuster”, women-players and much more with the performers of the main roles-Anna Chipovskaya and Svetlana Ustinova.

- Let's start with the game. You have so much filming that it is interesting how well you know your filmography. Here ( on a leaflet with a rebus - approx. "Medusa" ) the series of Sveta is encrypted, and here - the series of Ani. Who is the first to guess their work?

Chipovskaya : Is this a "thaw"?

Ustinova : Is this "Pushkin"?

- No.

Chipovskaya: Ah, this is a “outgoing nature”. Listen, it's very funny. Well, yes, you are Medusa.

Ustinova: That's it, I understood! I have "good, Sasha Evil here."

- Exactly, and now - about the important. Roman Volobuev at Kinotavr stated that today any man must be a feminist. [Director] Vadim Perelman at the MMKF told me that the pros. What other, in your opinion, are the most consistent men-phumines in Russian cinema?

Ustinova: My husband ( blockbuster producer Ilya Stuart, for whom Ustinova married a week before the interview - approx. Medusa ).

- By the way, I congratulate you.

Ustinova: Thank you. A good choice, right?

- Good choice.

Ustinova: Husband is a feminist. It seems to me that it might be better?

Chipovskaya: And for a start, I would like to understand that they put into the word “feminism”, because I’m afraid to sign someone for this matter now. For me personally, if feminism is about equality, then yes, it is good. And if about “all the men of the goats” - no, it is not good. So I don't know. I think that every self -respecting man should be a man, and then everything else ( laughs ). I don't know how to describe it.

-What happens on the set with directors-feminists? How did the atmosphere on the Blockbuster differ from your previous films - maybe you felt more likely co -authors?

Ustinova: Roma, even in the case of the Cold Front [actress] Dasha [Charusha] supported - we finished and developed our idea together, turned it into cinema. So here - Roma was not afraid and with great love was treated to the history of two girls, even the male characters were back into the background. Well, Volobuev, of course, is very reverent about actresses. He loves them, listens to them, hits and cherishes.

Chipovskaya: In fact, Roman Olegovich is a hipstersh in the shower. Hipster with long dreadlocks. And preferably-a 14-year-old hipster with purple dreadlocks. I think that in five or six years we will get a very thin, focused on a good dramatic female film director. Very cool director. Because he is Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy in terms of my subtle soul.

- At the Kinotavr, Ilya Stuart and Roman Volobuev compared their relations with a divorce. Please tell us what the actors feel when the director and producer are divorced.

Ustinova: This is their relationship. Let them decide among themselves. We do not climb into the family that is divorced.

-Until the divorce becomes a press conference.

Ustinova: But they find out the relationship between themselves, they do not draw us there. They are well done.

Chipovskaya: I am absolutely outside this conflict, because I said and say - I love Ilya very much and really love Roman Olegovich. I did not quarrel with either one, with both, I did not stop communicating with both and did not take the side of the side. I believe that everyone is right in their own way and in their own way is not right. I think that everything will work out over time. I believe in it. People were friends for many years, and I think that there are things that do not end. Yes, they are modified, but only in a quiet swamp nothing happens.

- Anya, in several interviews you said that you are trying to break out of the ghetto, a quote, "where pretty girls in pink dresses live." Was the escape?

Chipovskaya: I have in the theater [Moscow Theater under the leadership of Oleg Tabakov] - successfully, for eight years. It is more difficult to cinema: if you are a little prettier than wood, then you are usually not given good roles. So you have to try yourself. You see how hard it is - to write a script, ask for money, make a movie.

-That is, they still send you all these meaningless scenarios?

Chipovskaya: Now much less. After the film “Super-Blood”, after good characteristic stories, after people finally found out: “Oh, Lord, she works in the theater!” Less, and then, I am no longer sixteen.

“Do you, Sveta, feel the same problem?” Or vice versa - you are from men's cinema. Pyotr Buslov called you into the second part of the Boomer, because it seemed to him that you are like Brad Pitt.

Ustinova: If you recall my first film, then we can say that I began in a completely different “ghetto”-for boys. And, on the contrary, a lot of time has passed before they began to offer me feminine heroines.

- What was the most ridiculous to you have been sent recently?

Chipovskaya: The absurdity for me is a banality. Some next girl in a beautiful dress who hangs out in clubs and wants to meet pure love. It is impossible to play all this.

Ustinova: So many such scenarios are sent that you can’t choose.

- It seems to me that you are trying to hide in the theater from the predictability of the movie. For example, you, Sveta, are now “Malva” according to Gorky, where you are the only actress among men.

Ustinova: Yes, and in the Boomer I started with this. And in the Malva I was offered first to participate in the laboratory, and then only a performance appeared from it. So lucky: get such a role that in the cinema, that in the theater is a great success. I dreamed about the theater for a very long time, and to get on the stage in the Moscow Moscow Art Theater MHT, and to debut with such a complex, multifaceted, strong role surrounded by serious partners - this, of course, is happiness.

But it was difficult, because I have not been on stage for a long time - from the institute. Immediately after studying, I played in the center of dramaturgy and directing Kazantsev and Roshchin. Then a break of seven years, and it was not easy to find a balance between cinema and theatrical living. But I am very grateful to the leadership of the theater, director Danil Chashchin and my partners - everyone supported and helped me very much. I hope this is only the beginning.

- And you, Anya, have the play “Kinaston”, where it is about a man who played a woman, and you are also there in the center of the men's ensemble. Is this some kind of conscious choice that in the theater your roles are completely contrary to what you are imposed in the cinema?

Chipovskaya: If you are familiar with the system of the repertoire theater, then you know when you serve there, you don’t choose your own roles. The artistic director decides that you will play. Of course, some time passes, some status is acquired, and you begin a little: "I would not want this." But in general, the theater does not work like that.

The theater is not about the single -handed people, not about solo. This is a single mechanism where many people do one job. And no, I am not hiding in the theater, I initially theater actress, work in the theater. Moreover, I think that in our country, in our situation, if you do not work in the theater, it is very difficult for you to develop and deal with good dramaturgy, work with good roles. Therefore, I really sympathize with artists who are not able to work in the theater, this is the only true school.

- Do you have a desire to write a role for yourself? Now Sveta, along with Svetlana Khodchenkova, writes “Blood on the Dance Pol”, if I understand correctly.

Chipovskaya: No, I don't have such ambitions. Maybe someday, but unlikely. I somehow envy people who can do it.

- And what is the “blood on the dance floor”, where Anya will play?

Ustinova: This story is now called completely differently-and nothing is left of the original idea. I can’t talk about her yet. We will add it, finish it, launch it - and then we will talk.

- Tell me, there is a continuation of this topic from the “blockbuster” - stories about two girls in trouble? Or is it something completely different?

Ustinova: “Blockbuster” is about the basic relations of people. Female friendship, relations with men, search for true love, search for oneself. A new film is also a relative story, but it is shifted to a different direction. Therefore, I can’t say that there will be some parallels between the plots, except that these are the stories of two women.

-Why do you both do not act with female directors? You have solid male directors in filmography. But now the real female revolution is Zueva, Saifullaev, Proskurin, Bychkova, Meshchaninov, Melikyan.

Ustinova: Yes, thanks for the question! I really want to work with women-directors, I am terribly interesting. Now there are many cool girls-directories, and, in my opinion, in their films-more and more acute. It seems to me that they see and make a movie from a different angle, and it would be great to meet the site.

- Even according to the script “Buy me” (the film by Vadim Perelman according to the script of Daria Grasevich, where Ustinova played - approx. Medusa) is noticeable. In women, it is much more organic and alive to write and shoot women.

Ustinova: This is not even the point. I really like Oscar Wilde's words: “The book is either well written or bad. That's all. " A person is either talented or not. It doesn’t matter who he is: a boy, a girl, what age he has. Either he has it, or not. I am only talking about directing-so, maybe he is beautiful in something else. It would just be interesting for me to get a new experience, let a woman-director see something new in me, reveal what I did not even know. So that I say: “Wow, can I still? Class". I would really like me to have such an opportunity.

- Anya, why aren't you in the girls?

Chipovskaya: They are not called ( he inaudibly adds some word and laughs )! But seriously, it just worked out. But we are all friends, and I adore them. I love Nigin [Sayfullaev]. Now my close acquaintance Ksyusha Zueva is going well, but Ksyusha studied at the Moscow Art Theater School, she is an actress, and the fact that such powerful directorial abilities were opened in a person is a cool miracle. In general, everything is better and better with this business. Natasha Meshchaninova is a great example.

- What kind of cinema do you like more? We now have two directions - light varieties like “arrhythmias” and “frost -grown carp”, where there is no such tear, and the dark ones are “dislike” and “close”, where everything is tougher.

Chipovskaya: I like everything.

Ustinova: I love different movies, “dislike” - an amazing film, and, unfortunately, I could not watch “arrhythmia”.

- Ilya told Medusa that he feels how rebirth is taking place in Russian cinema. Do you feel it too?

Chipovskaya: Well, I went to the Kinotavr, like an idiot, for three years in a row, and I always had time, four to five days. I stayed and watched everything. And this year I had a performance of a performance in the theater, and I was able to come only for one day. At the same time, everyone around them says that it was one of the most powerful “movie tide” in history. I want to see everything. I believe that something human begins with us.

Ustinova: And I’m just an optimist in life, so I like what is happening now, I like films that go to the screens, I like the directors-and women-players too. Here Vadim Perelman shot another movie in Russia. Roma Volobuev made a film. And it's all great. I like that we are all friends, meet, come up with something together and that there are a bunch of stories, when everyone is removed from each other without large fees, but simply because there is a good script. Everyone wants to make a good high -quality movie - for the sake of the viewer.

- The slogan of the film "Blockbuster": "To be a good girl is not yours." Is this a statement only about your heroines or about you to some extent too?

Chipovskaya: No, no more about the heroine. And although, probably, about me. I just don't really understand what “good” is. Good - is it so correct, or what? It seems to me that this film is about the fact that every person needs to understand himself at some point, because it is otherwise scary.

Ustinova: I think this is a life story - you are always trying to be good and live with the installation: “What will they think about us, what will they say?”, “Are I doing the right thing?” You are doing something, you depend on someone else's opinion, but in reality all this does not matter. Only your internal state is important. It is important to live with your own internal indicator of this “goodness”. Because how many people, so many opinions. You can go crazy if you try to please everyone.

“Anya, you said in one interview that you are trying to play“ from yourself ”. But this heroine does not look like you at all - both a dialect and origin.

Chipovskaya: She is a mythical character, there are no such.

- And with the heroine of Sveta, on the contrary.

Chipovskaya: It was just that there was only one light in the script, and therefore, when Roman Olegovich came up with an antagonist, a super-antagonist was needed. So the torture and recklessness of my heroine arose only due to the fact that the light is different. The opposites are steeply removed, there is always something that happens when people come across.

Ustinova: Yes, there are moments from my biography in the script. My heroine and I are similar - this is an unconditional fact. But still, she behaves completely differently, and sometimes it was difficult for me to find an explanation for her actions. “Well, you are such a nyun, I don't know! That you are all that you have stumbled here, gather! "

-I really liked the musical accompaniment of all episodes about Moscow show business. Either the melody from “in the world of animals”, then a noise from the boxing arena is imposed on the rumble of spectators of the talk show. In general, the film is more about the capital or still about the universal system of relations?

Ustinova: It's just about people. After all, people are the same all over the world. We all love, we want to be happy, worry and suffer, we are all friends. It doesn't matter where you are. It seems to me that the movie will be clear, recognizable in all countries of the world.

This film is about girls who come home and find their guys with someone else. And about girls who are so bad at work that they can no longer return there. I know so many stories when the girls, after such a thing, got behind the wheel and left somewhere into the distance, began to sob and sing along the radio. This is an honest movie, this is a movie about us.

- But on our television bohemia you went cool. What do you think of our show business?

Chipovskaya : I have little relation to this, in fact. I do not contact someone who I do not like. It is difficult for me to make me do anything that I do not want to communicate with who I do not want. My parents quickly in childhood realized that it was all not for me, these things ( clicks with fingers ). I can't force myself. I can't smile when I don't like it.

- Thank you! And now-blitz-questions. Sveta, did you deal with boxing?

Ustinova: For the film, yes.

- Anya, were you in the electric power ( the “blockbuster” action partially unfolds in this city - approx. “Medusa” )?

Chipovskaya : Yes.

- What one word can characterize Volobuev’s novel?

Ustinova: Smart.

Chipovskaya : Soul-man.

-Which of the great directors, except for Volobuev, was best able to or can work with women actresses?

Ustinova: Lars von Trier.

Chipovskaya: Bergman and Verkhoven.

- The blockbuster has a cool soundtrack, but what one song would you add there? Maybe Allegrova’s “Causioner”?

Chipovskaya: Better - "Golden the tea rose."

Ustinova: "All by MySelf."

- Your favorite actresses in Russia and beyond?

Ustinova: Liv Ulman.

Chipovskaya: In Russia - definitely my mother [actress Olga Chipovskaya], I had no one cooler in my life. And abroad - here I am changeable, but at the moment Eva Green.

-“Blockbuster” is compared with “Telma and Louise” [Ridley Cattle], and do you have any favorite female baddy-muvi ?

Chipovskaya: "Blockbuster" ( laughs ).

Ustinova: “Telma and Louise” ( laughs ).

- Speaking of Liv Ulman, Sveta. For some reason, you are constantly compared with someone-either with her, then Claudia Schiffer, then with Brad Pitt. What is your favorite comparison?

Ustinova: Liv Ulman. No, of course, Brad Pitt. What will I lie to you, Lord.

Egor Moskvitin