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From passers -by - to terrorists
The Promotion of the Vyacheslav Maltsev movement "Artillery" for Putin's resignation, planned on November 5, ended with detentions throughout Russia, most of which - more than 300 out of 448 - fell on Moscow. The question of how the police will distinguish protesters from random passers -by, soon became irrelevant: everyone who came to hand was driven into the autozaks.
How to distinguish a supporter of Maltsev from a non -supporter of Maltsev in appearance?
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This theoretical issue is now being resolved on the arena
In short, people silently go back and forth on Manezhnaya, they are silently delayed one at a time. Silent Hill some kind.
- Nuclear dance (@polinanem) November 5, 2017
By what principle is they delayed on Manezhnaya? The man was asked for documents, he took out the Constitution of the Russian Federation with them, then he took it. pic.twitter.com/82jkfejpj
- Protest Moscow (@nedimon_MSK) November 5, 2017
Among the detainees in Moscow, the raid participants for the legendary Pokemon who do not understand what is happening at all.
Do you want the summary of the most fierce hell for today?
ATS Yakimanka: They did not allow the assholes and even the head of the district. But there is an epileptic guy who is not provided with medical assistance, and for some reason drugs were thrown (infa from the OVD-info)
ATS Koptevo: The guy refuses the kidneys, he needs hemodialysis, they refused to call him an ambulance, the connection with him disappeared.
Bogorodskoye police department: the cops on the guy laid a staircase and jumped on it, the guy’s hematomas on his face and neck. The connection with him is also lost.
The ATS Taganskoye: people there are already half a day, they are not given even water.
About the ATS, into which "simply" did not let lawyers, mundops, relatives, transfers and just water - I am even silent.
Such things.
Among the random passers-by who had fallen under the raid were not only players in PokeMongo, but also participants in the annual socio-political forum “ Adam Smith reading ”, which is held in the Higher School of Economics, including one of the speakers Mikhail Svetov and moderator Mikhail Pozharsky.
Today, 23 participants in the readings of Adam Smith were detained, who, during the break of the lecture, went to dinner at McDonals
The boys continued to read right in the car carrier. Now Utube has been laid out a lecture from Avtozak Mikhail Svetov "Why Libertarianism is most beneficial to the poor"
In the Department of Internal Affairs, the Investigative Committee and a member of the Center for Combating Extremism. The lawyer says that we are interrogated in connection with the criminal case of Maltsev.
- Mikhail Svetov (@msvetov) November 5, 2017
Initially, they said 'now we will check on the bases and let go.' Then there were traces that are interrogated as witnesses under Art. 205.
New 1937 is already here. And chooses people from your circle.
Fucking. They came for the Libertarians
When the dictator has nothing to propose to the people, the ability to have their own point of view, become a corpus delicti.
No, I understand everything that Maltsev’s adherents were driven there, they were detained so that they would not make a revolution. But for which they took harmless libertarians who simply left the peaceful and abstruse readings of Adam Smith. They didn’t even wait, and did not prepare ...
Reading participants spent several hours in the police. The organizers of the forum made a statement to their defense:
In total, more than thirty participants and readers of readings were detained, including minors. All the detainees were left in the department until the evening, threatened to detain for two days as "witnesses in the criminal case", deprived of the opportunity to communicate with lawyers.
At the interrogation of people, among other things, they asked about what chats they are sitting in Telegram. The whole procedure for detention and interrogation was carried out with gross violations and should become the subject of both public and internal proceedings. <...>
We demand to immediately release all the participants in the readings of Adam Smith without the presentation of any far-fetched accusations and conduct an official investigation on the issue of exceeding law enforcement officials of their powers.
The ART PROBLECTION Movement is recognized as extremist in Russia, access to its YouTube channel and the VKontakte community is blocked. On the fact of the action , a criminal case was opened on the preparation of "terrorist attack and riots", which is investigated by the Main Investigative Department of the Investigative Committee in Moscow. There are fears that the detainees are threatened with much big trouble than participants in the "swamp business". As witnesses in the criminal case, the participants in the readings of Adam Smith were also attracted.
They just let us all go. Everyone has witnesses of a criminal. Everything is bad.
- Mikhail Svetov (@msvetov) November 5, 2017
Now we, therefore, witnesses on 205.2 and 212 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (calls for terrorism, mass riots). And we have Art. 51, of course. But that's okay. It is important that six people who came to “reads” from St. Petersburg were left to the police department Khoroshevo and East Degunino until Tuesday (before the trial of 19.3 Administrative Code). If you see that somewhere they write that some "mass detentions of Maltsev’s supporters" have passed-do not believe. Yesterday there were mass detention of random people who walked the center in an amount of more than three. I myself saw. We (20 people) were detained when we went to dinner. There were several people who were stupidly taken from the street in Avtozak.
One revolutionary is now traveling somewhere in Europe, and in Russia, in fact, several hundred young people, among whom, I think, more fans of Bigrussianbossa than Maltsev dragged for interrogation in the UK and sew terrorism. Terrorism, Karl, with the corresponding terms. This will be the most frightening and hopeless process if everything is unfortunately spinning.
Dozens of Maltsev supporters were detained across the country. And simultaneously, everyone who raves with revolutionary sentiments is given the opportunity to prove themselves on the social network VKontakte. Those who believe that their records are indeed anonymous and write something in support of Maltsev, artillery preparations, a change of political regime or a new revolution, will be taken, at least, to account. Then they will already look closely to them.
The detention of the Participants of Adam Smith's Readings, the case in Bashkiria , Ingria - all this fits perfectly into a single picture: they catch up, delay, throw them evidence, attracted to the firmness of those who fell into the field of view of law enforcement agencies, is possible simply by virtue of their political activity. Extremists are sculpted from them so that everyone understands: any such activity is at least guaranteed troubles. Another important feature of this stage: the detainees are interviewed about subscriptions to Internet resources, including telegram channels. And in itself, a subscription to some channel gradually becomes a sign of extremism. This will be very consistent with the Internet policy: judging by the Law "On the Ban of VPN", from prohibitions on the distribution of content are proceeding to the prohibition of finding content. Telegram will obviously separately position as an extremist-terrorist resource, but this is a separate story, I will clearly write about it more than once.
Then they ask again why the organs took up Maltsev and his supporters so much. Like, do they really believe that today they will collect people to conduct a revolution.
No, of course, they do not believe even more than you and I, because this process at least controls the maximum.
For what? Firstly, rumors appear about the reductions, or even the liquidation of the center of E, therefore, in such periods, it is necessary to work most diligently, no matter how it happened. Secondly, before the elections, it is necessary to clean the clearing from the obsessed, especially in the regions, so as not to be strange. The headquarters of Navalny, by the way, filter people and they do not delay there. There is nothing to say about Yabloko and Parnassus, the National Bolsheviks are no longer there, in principle, Nationalists, too, which means that Maltsev remains. Thirdly, it must be shown that the real oppositionist Maltsev. Moreover, it is not customary for us to ask, why did he, Gorsky and others were given to leave. And in this sense, he is completely harmless, but the oppositionist is like. Fourth, it is necessary to intimidate less obsessed and more conscious. Like here you will go to an unresolved action, we then ...
Everything is done soundly. You just need to understand that even under Stalin they did not take people from the street. Then the basis for black funnels was denunciations or testimonies, including those who were knocked out, from the arrested. After all, they could not knock out, but no, it was necessary. Now this is all the more important. Even a special procedure has been invented, that is, a deal with the investigation. Then these testimonies are simply drawn up by a court sentence and then even in relation to even the whole work of technology.
Supporters of Maltsev, I gave you links yesterday, even before the charges are guilty of organizing riots. They do not take an article 51, and, do it consciously. Thus, now any participant in the action on November 5 can be attracted for mass riots, because there are indications about their organization.
There has never been such a hell with the organization, from the "marches of the disagreement", in which the provocateurs also rose in the eyes.
Yesterday and the day before yesterday-the detention of innocent, mass raids on people, searches and arrests-this is a manifestation of some completely new cruelty. Some new period begins.
On November 4, the FSB announced the detention of artillery participants in the Moscow region, allegedly preparing arson of buildings and attacking police officers. The law enforcement source detained on November 5, TASS, informed TASS that most of them were "supporters of nationalist organizations:
During the inspection, they found weapons, knives, personal protective equipment, brass knuckles and other prohibited funds. As the interlocutor of the agency noted, "this suggests that people came for a reason, but were preparing to resist the forces of law and order."
Many commentators doubt the veracity of these statements, including in relation to specific detainees.
The list of the conspirators selected from the conspirators suggests the kitchen knives and cast frying pans. And the "component for Molotov cocktails" - empty bottles from "Klinsky"?
Oleg Pashchenko visited the ATS of the 18-year-old son, who fell with a friend under the raid on Manezhnaya Square:
The administrative of Art. 19.3, disobedience to legal requirements. The detention protocols-throughout Moscow under a carbon copy: “I, the lieutenant of such a foreman Shmaku, saw a group of youth, dressed uniformly: Balaklavs, Berets, backpacks, they had knives, castes and baseball bats. I repeatedly asked the detainee to proceed, but he screamed, rested, scratched. ” No one resisted, meanwhile, there was nothing of the kind with them, and there were two of them with a friend. Mark did not sign anything. No weapons were found during the inspection.
The policemen clumsily detained the first who came across to report on a successful special operation and get new epaulets. At least in St. Petersburg, where they threw weapons to the activist of the Ingermanland movement Mikhail Voitenkov. Where is Maltsev, and where are the Ingermanlanders? This is about the same as in 1933 in Germany to arrest a Jew for Hitler's support.
I know Mikhail Voitenkov for more than 10 years. I have no doubt that he could not go to a mass event with weapons, and even more so with explosives. Mikhail was never a supporter of Maltsev and was quite accurate in actions.
Many other oddities.
In the materials, the media appear mention only two detainees, although there are three of them at the moment. The search was carried out after the first inspection, when the car was unattended for more than an hour.
A runaway search for the photo of the “witness”, present during the search, gives out such results (photo under the post) there are also other oddities, but most importantly, I am sure that Mikhail would not take weapons for a rally.
Others are trying to figure out who and why went to the rally.
Listen, or maybe someone explain everything that happened today about the Maltsev?
I understand when the youth goes to the inconsistent rally of Navalny (firstly, the administrative, and secondly, unfortunately, not everything is aware of inconsistent shares).
And here adult men. Actively use the Internet.
They understand that no revolution will work. That they are read by special services. The case of terrorism or coupling is predictable.
But for some reason they still went, so that not even heroically (honestly) to be tied.
Just here - why? Why sacrifice your life for nothing?
You can recall the seaside partisans, but it was a story about something else, not about the arena and the announced dates.
Tell your versions, huh?
There are two types of people in nature. Some are smart, others are stupid. Politics, oddly enough, are interested not only in the first, but also, sometimes the second. So they are the Maltsev audience.
Let's go and wove. Had the right. On the other hand, they are not Pavlensky. They are quite mentally healthy, even ideological. Therefore, the significance of their "vintage" will only be determined by the aposteriori. When there is a real revolution, their "feat" will be inscribed in a separate line in the history of success. In the meantime, there is no revolution, they are only an object of regret and ridicule. But whoever heses and says, their act is a civilian
Like an “adult man” who went to “revolution” in Yekaterinburg (where, however, there were no detentions), I will explain this way: there are no ways to change power, but there was hope, still Maltsev rolled up the people and at least the same as the 14th came out. Hope was weak, but it was. Personally, I kicked myself on the street with such reasons
Vyacheslav Maltsev himself said in his YouTube channel that the revolution is ongoing, although the current scenario cannot be called the best.
“The authorities were very frightened, and this fright seeks to pour on people, to recoup in public. Be sure to answer for this. And we will continue today, we will continue tomorrow, we will continue while this power will hold on to its place, ”Maltsev said in his video message.
Well, of course, from Europe it is better.
Ulyanov also drove through Paris and then organized a coup
Ulyanov was able to return from Paris only when the authoritarian regime fell by the efforts of other people. Ulyanov overthrew the authoritarian art, but already democratic power, which was about to hold democratic elections. While there was an authoritarian regime, Ulyanov warmed [ass] in Paris.
The provocateur and the “priest gapon” of the leader of the artillery and the “leader”, which left Russia in the summer, fearing criminal prosecution, is called almost every second comment.
And the people who are now outraged by the detentions probably thought that the power of the promised revolution itself would take to the Kremlin and give the keys. Just in case, they took sharpening with them ... you never know, the castle is shining in the main office.
Maltsev is a typical Gapon and a provocateur. That's only in Moscow, 200 people identified supporters, in the regions more. He himself calmly sits somewhere abroad. And ultimately, I would judge not those who were detained, but Maltsev. Moreover, in our court you will not achieve any truth, but if at the location it is quite. So we will be able to find out the answer to the question of who and why he thought of substituting people.
And yet ... people, did you really think that they would give the keys to the Kremlin ??? What is the revolution? Now what will happen is a prison for participating in the riots. There are already evidence of the organizers allegedly, that is, the organizers have, participants too. You don’t even have to come up with everything, the testimony is given with pleasure. So now the police decide how much and for what to close.
Frankly, I don’t know how to help these people not in prison.
The revolution that a certain Maltsev spoke about for so long has already happened or not yet? I thought, I think and I will consider it a provocateur. Pop Gapon
- Andrey Malgin (@andrey_malgin) November 5, 2017
Maltsev is a product of reusable use.
They slipped his fools from Parnassus to finally bang them.
But no one even explained to the public that this talker with windows on social networks cannot be launched on the threshold.
Ok, Maltsev sat and not quarral. Maltsevsky at all rallies can be seen - the faces are protocol.
But you have to use such a frame. Do not disappear good.
They staged a search from him.
Dali to escape.
Now he "called" to the revolution from abroad on November 5th.
Plus, some obscure rumor that the “leader” himself goes to Moscow.
Meanwhile, the special services stole backpacks with “explosives” on their people, conducted demonstrative arrests with fake evidence, and on November 5 grabbed the onlookers and naive idiots from Maltsev’s supporters.
Because only an idiot can believe in all this.
Those figures who are not publicly dissolved from Maltsev, alas, belong to either idiots or to provocateurs.
The same can be said about journalists seriously discussing the topic, through the false and through.
Ekaterina Shulman in the commentary of The New Times suggested that Maltsev could "be friends with law enforcement agencies":
The revolution announced by Maltsev and the “November 5 case” is a typical story about organizations and political activities that take place in the “gray zones” of the special services, says Associate Professor of the Department of the Public Administration of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Ekaterina Shulman.
“The gray zone is a sphere of political activity, which is simultaneously closed and is perceived by the participants themselves as very radical, but at the same time it is controlled by special services. They control them, and then suppress their activities, ”Schulman NT explained.
Such structures are characterized by the fact that the nominal leader of the movement - in the case of the Sunday failed “revolution”, is Maltsev - is in a safe place.
“I would like to advise people to focus not on leaders, but on their interests as citizens. Не пытаться найти самого радикального радикала, так как чаще всего именно такие люди являются лучшими друзьями правоохранительных органов», — отметила политолог.
Рассуждая о том, возможна ли в России революция, многие комментаторы приходят к выводу, что ожидать падения режима в ближайшее время не стоит.
Независимо от целей Мальцева движуха «революция 5.11» – действительно «народная», в силу чего невыносимо тупая и буквально слабоумная. И тут вот что, в частности, любопытно. Эти люди тройные жертвы пропаганды. Со стороны государства РФ они дезориентированы тотальной ложью, это понятно. Но они также введены в заблуждение радикальной оппозицией с ее сказками про завтрашний крах режима и украинской пропагандой стихийной майданной революции. И последнее не стоит недооценивать. Украинская революция гидности произвела в России большое впечатление. Причём в основном мифологическое. Люди просто не понимают, что ситуации в разных странах разные и что без серьёзной организационно-политической поддержки Евромайдан в революцию не развился бы и что ее стихийность сильно преувеличена. Толпа всегда остаётся толпой, если предоставить ее самой себе. А никаких организационно-политических предпосылок для развития протеста по украинскому сценарию в России нет.
Для победы революции мало того, чтобы шайка правящих воров довела страну до состояния полной разрухи. Надо еще, чтобы она довела саму себя до состояния государственной измены. Таково основное условие.
В Украине были политические свободы и существовали оппозиционные Януковичу телеканалы. В Украине существовал центр национального мышления – Галичина, было много граджданских организаций. Ну и кроме тго Майдан спонсировали олигархи, недовольные Януковичем. Поэтому он и победил. Нельзя недооценивать и слабость Януковича, не решившегося применить все доступные ему силовые структуры
Волшебной кнопки нет. Это я о сегодняшней революции сторонников Мальцева.
Только агитация. Пока в Москве не выйдет миллион, а в остальных городах еще миллионов пятьдесят – не будет у нас свободных выборов, хороших перемен и развития страны.
Этим кропотливым хотя и длинным (но зато верным) путем пока что идет только Навальный.
Да проворонили уже выход на площадь. Хоть обагитируйтесь теперь. А силы были вполне себе пойми какие. И достаточные. Но это же Россия. Тут особый путь. Украина может выйти, Румыния может, Киргизия может, Венесуэла может – но в России только агитация в течение лет так двадцати, как же иначе. За это время, правда, всех попереубивают, попересажают и еще десять войн развяжут, рейтинг путина стабильно 55 процентов, но – агитируйте, чо. Я ж не против
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Alya Ponomareva
Social Networks Editor Radio Liberty