The TV "wet" Grudinin

Why don't the Kremlin like the Candidate from the Communist Party

First, Life, then federal television channels rushed to publish defamatory materials about a candidate for president of Russia from the Communist Party. What exactly is charged with Pavel Grudinin, and why did he not please the Kremlin, which determines the media policy? Politicians are discussed by Gennady Gudkov, Sergey Udaltsov ("Left Front") and television critic Alexander Melman. Presenter Elena Rykovtseva.

Elena Rykovtseva: Our current event will be Pavel Grudinin. He is not on the air with us yet, because the Communist Party still thinks whether to send him to us or not. Gennady Gudkov is with us. Gennady knows Pavel Nikolaevich well, and telecritic Alexander Melman.

Gennady Gudkov: Of course, we have long been familiar with him, of course, we intersected with him on political issues, talked, he was a deputy of the regional Duma. Therefore, I know him as a man, of course, but to say that we are close friends with him - this would be not true.

Elena Rykovtseva: You are familiar - this is already a lot. You know the situation around him, at least, you can guess about some things. There is something to talk about and what to touch on. Today we will talk with Sergey Udaltsov, he was one of those who nominated Pavel Nikolaevich, promoted from his left forces, from the “Left Front”. He goes to the candidate not only from the Communist Party, this non -partisan person. The theme of our conversation today is directly related to television. Because according to my observations as a person who analyzes these processes of television, which never occur in themselves, they always occur according to some kind of conducting order, Pavel Grudinin began on federal channels, sorry for the jargon, “to urinate”. This was the first to do this before registration in the Central Election Commission of the Life channel. Yesterday we saw extremely unfriendly stories in relation to him on two federal channels. Such a situation can be connected with that so far a very even, calm attitude towards Ksenia Sobchak on federal channels, to Grigory Yavlinsky, show all this measuredly, how they are recorded, how they collect votes, but Grudinin is such an outcast. Why - we will try to understand. You are not friends, but you are familiar.

Gennady Gudkov: We are comrades, at least. I can say, so to speak, I hope Pavel will not be offended.

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Elena Rykovtseva: You approved, did you support the Communist Party for the fact that she put forward this person?

Gennady Gudkov: I would like to separate Pavel Grudinin from the Communist Party, although it seems that the Communist Party puts it on. I really have known him for a long time, this is such a bright person who is really good, maybe even an excellent business leader, a talented entrepreneur, of course. But he is distinguished by one very good quality from many talented entrepreneurs - he puts a huge part of his profit into social spheres, this is true. It is enough to come to his state farm named after Lenin once and make sure how people live, how they relate to him. It is integrated by and large in the existing establishment, once he was a deputy from United Russia. He was an element quite critical, quite thinking, for which I respected and noticed at that time. Recently, he was somewhat in disgrace, he tried to become the head of the district, he was not given, and he was rather treacherous. He tried to become a deputy of the State Duma, in my opinion, from the Communist Party, he was also oppressed there, broke the district so that it was not possible to vote the area compactly, which knew it very well. In this sense, he is in a certain opposition. Although this is not such a radical opposition, but this is an opposition, which is allowed to criticize power to a certain extent. The candidacy is strong. From the point of view of tactics, this is a successful move of the Communist Party, of course. I think that I understand the motives why this decision was made. In general, this is a strong candidate that will take away the votes from almost everyone, starting with Vladimir Putin, even ending with democratic business candidates, of course, because he is his own. I think that he can safely claim a serious electoral result based on the results of the March elections.

Elena Rykovtseva: Perhaps this is the reason why some attempts began to slow down.

Gennady Gudkov: Because he takes his voice from Putin.

Elena Rykovtseva: Do you think he takes Putin?

Gennady Gudkov: Why I think - I know. Why should I consider after so many years in politics, I know.

Elena Rykovtseva: So now, about a good period on television. He was so calm, balanced before the New Year, when Grudinin appeared. He was invited twice to talk shows on federal channels, he was invited to "60 minutes", he was with Vladimir Solovyov. He, Alexander, what impression made from a television point of view? Will he be cute to voters if he is given a broad television rostrum or will they remain indifferent to him?

Alexander Melman: Speaking with purely television, in this case with visual, yes, it looks very good, but that is not the point. He made a very ambiguous impression on me, because his speeches on the federal channels seemed quite ambiguous. I understand why. When I read it or somewhere he spoke even before he was nominated for candidates for candidates, it was much stronger, much more and more well. And here, when he was on federal channels, he, as it were, should confirm his respect to Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, who could be said from the lordly shoulder, may he not be offended by himself and the Communists, and he must focus on him all the time. Moreover, Gennady Zyuganov said that he would lead the headquarters, and Mr. Grudinin was constantly talking about this. Perhaps Gennady knows better in principle his position, because he is now called both the Stalinist and moderate, naturally that he is an oligarch and so on. It can be seen how he maneuverates on those very programs between different trickles, and this, it seems to me, is a big minus of it. In addition, it is already called a homely temperate dog. The same is all affirmed in the presidential administration, I absolutely have no doubt about it. This is not only the course of Gennady Andreyevich is very correct, that is, he looks visually better than Gennady Andreevich, but on the other hand, this candidate had to be approved in the administration, which was done. I think that it is more beneficial for the administration than Yuri Boldyrev, for example. I don’t know how Yuri Boldyrev defeated at first, and then Mr. Grudinin won. Mr. Grudinin knows the system well, supposedly against which he must oppose and fight. But he, of course, is not Navalny, but he knows about the same as Navalny. He will not be so rude to do it. Again there there will be agreements that he will not attack the chief candidate, as Yavlinsky agreed in due time. He was released by the administration against Ksenia Sobchak, it seems to me. This is even a more specific option. Then they will decide who to say - Sobchak or Grudinin. When you invited me and said that Grudinin was now "urging", I did not know this, did not notice. If you show this, I will be interested to discuss and analyze.

Elena Rykovtseva: Of course, we will show. It is no coincidence that I asked you to analyze what you saw before the new year, because it was quite calm there. Now we will start with such a resource, it is called Life. Everyone knows that Life never does anything just like that. Look at the materials on the same Sobchak, according to Yavlinsky. They focus on what is happening to them, on informational reasons, Sobchak with Navalny clashed - they showed it. The show is still very flat. But the headlines of materials on the stern: "Strawberry king. How Pavel Grudinin earned his millions." I earned badly, dishonest how you guess. "Such things. Why does Grudinin want to forget about the past?" Therefore, I give it, he has a criminal past. "The defector and extremist. Who is the presidency nominated?" The heading is already an answer - a defector and an extremist. "The son of Pavel Grudinin promotes drug use in social networks"; "Who are you Mr. Grudinin? Why did questions about the presidential candidate scared the Communist Party?"; "Berry for 7.5 billion"; "The hellish circus. As the death of the supporter, the triumph of Grudinin did not interfere." "The Prosecutor General’s Office asks Grudinin after the situation with foreign accounts." This is a separate topic, on which federal channels are now clutching. It is felt that the picture on the sternum has already been lined up.

(The listener's call)

Gennady Gudkov: I, honestly, are not very happy with the Grudinin program, I am disappointed in it, I can personally tell him this. Because when he says that 70% to privatize, to return to the state again, he knows very well how ineffective, corruption owner is the state, how to talk about it seriously in our state. I think this is a tribute to the Orthodox wing of the Communist Party, which included it in the program completely mediocre, archaic, harmful points for Russia.

Elena Rykovtseva: It is necessary to understand what is included in the system of his own worldview or his idea of the beautiful, and what is the tribute of the Communist Party.

Gennady Gudkov: He is for being private property, he is for the important role of the state and the responsibility of the social business. It is for the fact that there are normal conditions for business, normal tax conditions, there would be benefits for the priority areas of the economy, such as agriculture, where a huge number of employees are very important for the stability of the state. He is a rather calm, moderate Social Democrat of the Western European model, which certainly cannot be a Stalinist, cannot be orthodox. But he did not advance, he himself would have advanced, we would see a brighter campaign, and since the Communist Party was put forward: you know what, Pasha, here you are, and here we are.

Elena Rykovtseva: We’ll see now, yesterday have passed the plots in final programs about election campaigns, where, I emphasize it once, perfectly about Vladimir Putin, who has already collected 800 thousand signatures, well, kindly about Ksenia Sobchak, showed her site that she was already in the process, already 62 thousand, Yavlinsky, its sites were shown. And now I want to demonstrate that in the same even plot it was said "the news of the week with Dmitry Kiselev" about Paul Grudinin.

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TV channel "Russia 1" about Paul Grudinin

Elena Rykovtseva: At the Rossiya channel, Anton Vernitsky accepts the relay race-this is the observer of Channel One, who, as a written, made the same plot as Kiselev’s, perfectly about Putin, calmly about Sobchak and Yavlinsky. And now let's listen to the words of Vernitsky, said about Paul Grudinin.

Anton Vernitsky: But one of those who should not collect signatures - as it turned out, Pavel Grudinin, put forward to the presidency from the Communist Party, submitting documents to the CEC for registration, at first did not mention the amounts stored in securities abroad. Here is his letter of January 8, in which he writes in black and white that he has no accounts and deposits in foreign banks. But then, suddenly, on the same day, on January 8, Grudinin writes a second letter in the CEC in which he recalls that he still has something on the accounts. This is “something”-a decent amount: 200 shares, 200 Eurobonds and hundreds of securities.

The CEC, as an organization engaged exclusively in elections, is not authorized to monitor the further fate of the candidate’s money, but the story of the financial forgetfulness of the candidate Grudinin did not like not only his competitor - the candidate Zhirinovsky. <...> As it turned out, Pavel Grudinin, for some reason he forgot to declare foreign accounts earlier. For example, when he tried to elect into the state and Moscow regional Duma.

Elena Rykovtseva: Here, please, if earlier Life specialized in the sternum and money, now these are. Gennady, you will not say that this is by chance?

Gennady Gudkov: Power always in relation to the Communist Party takes about the following position: yes, these are our assholes, they are, of course, integrated, they are safe, but they cannot be allowed to feel that they are really some kind of party and political force. Therefore, giving a certain backlash and freedom, it is still necessary until a certain moment, then besiege.

Elena Rykovtseva: Alexander, what do you think, as the policy of federal channels will take shape in relation to him?

Alexander Melman: It seems to me that this is serious. Because the Life News is really one thing, we can say that they always work like that, but when federal channels were synchronously, the first broadcasts after the New Year - these, of course, can only be an installation from the administration. So the question then: after all, the administrations are sitting inherent people who understand everything, when they approved this candidacy, they already knew about non-declared shares, accounts? If they knew, then, of course, they had this in reserve in order to throw it at the right time. The right moment, by the way, happened very quickly. Here Pavel Grudinin himself substantiated himself, of course, and received in full.

Gennady Gudkov: I do not think that this greatly affects the opinion of the electorate.

Alexander Melman: The left electorate looks even more carefully at the fact that the billionaire represents them, which still does not declare what is needed is not very honest with his electorate.

Gennady Gudkov: This applies to the minority of the electorate of the Communist Party. The Communist Party of the Communist Party is very disciplined, for them the Communist Party of the Communist Party, for 80-90%, is a key determining motive. And those who think, they can vote for any other candidates, they are not a nuclear electorate of the Communist Party.

Alexander Melman: And the Putin electorate isn't the same disciplined.

Gennady Gudkov: Putin's electorate is clogged people, shed.

Alexander Melman: What does it mean foul? They are the same disciplined, receiving instructions from the TV, receiving instructions from Channel One.

Gennady Gudkov: Not quite so, different electors of the Communist Party and Putin. The Communist Party of the Communist Party is people of very orthodox views. And for them, at least you are three times a billionaire if the Communist Party said that this is our candidate, it will be their candidate. There is no coercion, there is an orthodox conviction that it doesn’t matter, even though the stake is on the head of the Anti, and we will vote, as our leader tells.

Alexander Melman: Putin has already selected a lot of percent of this electorate.

Elena Rykovtseva: These federal channels clung to the papers, which were already settled, the Central Election Commission accepted these explanations. The emphasis is not accidental. Sergey Udaltsov with us in touch. Sergei, we have a very important question that arose on the first day when it became known about Grudinin: it was the decision of Zyuganov himself to leave the election race or Putin was tired of competing in the same campaign, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and Yavlinsky, Sobchak is not considered to be another topic - to attract the audience, he was tired of changing this to another? And the second question: was Grudinin’s candidacy with the Kremlin at least somehow agreed on or only he is your “Left Front” and only the Communist Party of the Communist Party, only you yourself decided who you will nominate?

Sergey Udaltsov: I am not an employee of the presidential administration, especially since Putin’s close circle is entered, so when asked if it was Putin’s initiative - this should be asked by Putin and his environment. I can only say for the left flank of the opposition, there was really a strong grassroots initiative that the left -pantus flank should be represented by a new candidate, not a candidate Zyuganov, with all respect for him. The results of the primaries, which we spent at our own peril and risk, by the way, without any feeding of some structures, especially the presidential administration, I heard such delusional versions-this was our lower initiative. We were also interested in the new candidate. Grudinin defeated, he fought with Boldyrev to the last, but really no wrappers, there were no falsifications. If the presidential administration did this, not 16 thousand people would vote there, but 10-15 more. From the lower outbuildings of the Communist Party of the Communist Party, there was a request to the Central Committee that they want a new candidate, and now different currents came together, everything coincided in the same opinion that a new face needed, and Grudinin became a consolidating figure, in my opinion, in a part, by coincidence. When this figure was revealed that it was most popular, then, probably, there were some consultations in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Communist Party, probably the presidential administration also showed interest. But, I think that in the first place it was a decision of the left -wing forces, a left -poatriotic flank, and this is a very strong solution. The presidential administration, I think, underestimated Grudinin at the first stage, when she did not interfere with his strict entry into the campaign. But according to my information, this is not an initiative from the Kremlin. For the Communist Party, this is a good move, for the entire left movement, I think this is a good move, it is a prospect, this is a new face, it is an opportunity to show a decent result. Now why a collision on Grudinin went, because they measure the ratings, even VTsIOM officially shows clearly the second place at Grudinin, about 8%, I think, is really more. And this campaign has not yet begun, now the debate will go, broadcasts will go, free or involuntarily his recognition will grow many times. Я думаю, он способен претендовать на результат до 25-30%, а при учете результатов других кандидатов это может быть второй тур. Если те, кто сегодня за бойкот ратуют, все-таки одумаются, призовут идти на выборы, голосовать за сильного кандидата, оппонента Путина – это может быть второй тур.

Елена Рыковцева: Очень важную вы сказали вещь, что это выбор самой партии, который может быть потом был представлен Кремлю, против чего Кремль не высказал жестко, иногда бывает, что Кремль говорит "нет", мы знаем такие случаи, он не сказал жесткого "нет", но потом не то, чтобы об этом пожалел, но явно почувствовал угрозу какую-то со стороны Грудинина. Получилась не борьба Грудинина с Собчак, а все-таки угрозу "референдумным" цифрам Путина, а это 70 явки и 70% за Путина, она может быть снижена самим фактом Грудинина в этой гонке.

Сергей Удальцов: Вы совершенно правильно меня поняли. Я считаю, в чем Кремль ошибся – они недооценили запрос в обществе на какое-то новое лицо, даже неважно, от какой партии, но новое вменяемое лицо с понятной программой, с каким-то бэкграундом, человек с историей. Грудинин, в отличие от той же Собчак и Жириновского, это человек с реальной историей успешного хозяйства, которая для России сегодня актуальна. Это социально ориентированное предприятие, где уделяется внимание образованию, медицине, хорошей зарплате, хорошая социальная поддержка. Новое лицо, довольно обаятельный человек, такой универсальный кандидат. Он симпатичен и для домохозяйки, и для работяги, для левого и даже для либерала, потому что он, извините, состоятельный человек, и он не говорит, что он сейчас все отнимет и поделит, он говорит наоборот, как облегчить жизнь реального бизнеса, который что-то производит, а не спекулирует и не мошенничает. Поэтому здесь они просчитались. И настолько усталость от Путина велика, я сегодня встречаю очень много людей, которые никогда в выборах не участвовали, теперь они говорят – пойдем за Грудинина. Конечно, в Кремле обеспокоены. Сейчас будут "мочить", я вас уверяю, будет кампания как в 1996 году, не дай бог, когда Зюганова "мочили". Значит надо делать выводы, что это не подставной кандидат, а реальная альтернатива. Надо, наверное, поддержать, на мой взгляд.

Елена Рыковцева: У меня создается впечатление, что Грудинин и Зюганов очень разные люди в своих оценках. Вы давным-давно ничего не слышите от Зюганова против политики Путина, правительства, против политики санкций, например. Грудинин к нам приходил летом, и вы увидите, что он отвечает по поводу санкций.

Мумин Шакиров: Павел, а почему вы как фермер и предприниматель не рады тому, что Путин объявил эмбарго Западу? You produce agricultural products, including vegetables and fruits. Вы бы должны радоваться, что у вас убрали конкурентов, в том числе и турок. You can raise prices, be a monopolist and earn more money. Isn't it?

Павел Грудинин: Нет, не так. Нормальные производители не радуются, когда у конкурента появляются проблемы. Он хочет другого – он хочет выиграть в конкурентной борьбе, потому что мы точно знаем, что наша продукция лучше, она свежее, качественнее. Но производить ее здесь гораздо дороже, чем производить в Турции, например.

And why rejoice at what happened? Sanctions such as they were under the Soviet Union simply does not exist. Потому что вы найдете все – итальянскую буррату, помидоры турецкие, землянику греческую. You get to the Food City - and you will find the whole spectrum of supposedly prohibited.

Но надо понять, что даже страны, которые не попали под эмбарго, уменьшили ввоз сюда продовольствия, потому что оно стало недоступным для простых граждан. И в этой части, когда рынок сжался, а у людей нет денег, некоторые повышают цены.

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