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"Fraud is a fraudster": social networks on the punishment of Russian sports
Another blow to Russian sports - the World Anti -Doping Agency requires to remove Russia from all the largest competitions for the next four years.
The main reason was not even violations of individual athletes, but, in fact, the state system of fraud with doping samples.
The Olympiad in soils really turned out to be very expensive. All the Olympiads were already paid, and it is not known - is it to the end?
- Andrey (@dron0356) December 9, 2019
I hope at least Dima Bilan did not won Eurovision at doping, and honestly, or even Eurovision will take away nothing from the year of victories
- Andrey Konyaev (@a_konyaev) December 9, 2019
When investigators clean the jambs in criminal cases, rewrite pages, then usually no consequences. Well, maybe somewhere inside the bosses scolding and calm down.
SK was entrusted with the database of doping tests. That is, all the changes that have discovered international structures were made with the participation (or connivance) of the Investigative Committee. But for some reason, international organizations were not a fable court, they did not close their eyes. And this shame is now for all Russian sport.
The extremely formally investigative committee, although the comrades probably asked for a higher rank
Mikhail Khodorkovsky:
And these people will say that “the opposition shits the reputation of Russia”?
To embroider a country from the Olympic Games, from the championship of football is the result of the work of the united team of idiots - officials and Lubyanka.
The whole story with Sochi-2014 and doping was invented to make a great occasion from sports achievements for pride and incentives for development in various fields. As a result, complete, catastrophic and unprecedented destruction. Everything is so bad that there is simply no country in the world with sports reputation worse.
The removal of the country from the Olympiad and the World Cup is a terrible tragedy, the responsibility for which Putin should personally be held as a head of state, and not a separate local official.
My condolences to Russian athletes who turned out to be hostages of scum.
The Putin officials are not able to understand the consciousness of the military invulnerability of Russia, the Putin’s officials are not able to understand that the world has limits for an atomic bomb - and peaceful sport is just such a limit. But the extreme intellectual degradation of the administration and special services as a result of negative selection on the way to "absolute sovereignty" does not allow to understand this.
They thought that it was rolled with polonium (with a newcomer, with a beech, with ichtamnets, with hackers, Wagnerians and other hybrids), and with Meldonium (Dyushes Rodchenkov, a substitution of samples, cleaning the database). And suddenly-o-pa! It didn't work! In world sports, unlike world politics, sanctions work clearly, automatically and painfully. Here, nuclear weapons and the territory are not an argument: they will not drive Russia from the UN, but from the Olympics - easily.
And do not say that this decision is political - yes, it has huge political consequences, but it is based on its own purely technical: Russia (or rather, those who cleaned the database) did not leave Wada any choice.
And there is no typically Russian SCHADENFREUDE, "the worse, the better." (I already read the cries of delight in the comments). No, the worse, the worse - a derivative -free blow to Russian sports is inflicted (for the whole generation of athletes, this is a disaster, a sport of higher achievements without OI and the World Cup is largely deprived of meaning) and, as a result, for us all, in human capital, soft strength, health and joy of the nation, no matter what the concepts remain there. Sport is a little that Russia was still a little (deservedly) strong, only this weekend they rejoiced at the beautiful victories of our skiers in Lillehammer.
And this blow did not inflict Wada - it acted automatically - but we ourselves. As in our other troubles: all themselves, with their crooked hands. In the later stages of the disease, the body begins to devour itself.
I will assume that this means the departure of our athletes abroad.
People from the age of 6 were preparing for the World Cup and Olympiads and are unlikely to want to abandon them.
The generation of not only athletes, but also future coaches is lost.
And not gradually, but a jerk.
I did not expect that it was the beloved and guarded by them that they would suffer most of them.
International sports organizations finally realized that it is impossible to deal with Russian representatives, they will still deceive: Namesut in the wrong test tube, rewritten the results of the tests, and will fake any documentation. It is clear that it is pointless to compete with the crooks, they still inflate. But a fraudster, he is a fraudster everywhere. It cannot be that the leadership of the same country in sports is fraught with, but in big politics - no. What agreements can be with professional charlatans who are completely disrespect for international agreements even in sports? They are inflated as at the Sochi Olympics. Only the price of such crook will be immeasurably higher. In sports, these are fake medals from the scum and the defeat of honest athletes, and in politics - thousands of victims of wars fraughtly unleashed by Ichtamnets.
Well, of course, this is a political decision. Purely political, what else. It is as political as the decision was to falsify the database under the eternal slogan "We will deceive them all, and if we do not deceive, we will buy it."
One political decision was answered in the form of another political decision.
Exactly the same political decisions are the requirements to issue the killers of Litvinenko, the poisoners of the Skripal, the people who organized the Catasta of the Boeing MH17. They, in turn. They are made in response to political decisions to send killers and senders around the world, to make and maintain a war on the territory of a neighboring country.
Around, solid political decisions.
Only the initial are accepted secretly, and their authors hide their names, and the response are declared openly - by people who do not need to hide.
Why such a shameful situation with Wada, and not only? With the elections, with a killer in Germany, well, literally. Well, it would seem, if there was a crap, we must admit it, punish the perpetrators and look for a way out of the situation ...
But in Russia, everyone is controlled by small officials who were sent clear signals with an Ichtamett. The main thing is to deny everything. If they find anything, they have Russophobia.
And now from time to time ...
- Look there with me! To no! To make a mosquito ...
“That's for sure, yours!” No!
(quickly and stupidly rub all files, change urine and so on).
- Your yours, please look: no!
- Well done! Medal to you.
Then there are those who have optics is honest and frozen.
- Have you replaced urine?
- What are you, how can you!
- Did you rub the files?
- They themselves broke!
- So you are also liar?
- We are not there!
Their own causes them to the carpet:
- What, bastards, found you? I warned!
-There is nothing, sir, they didn’t find it.
- And this is what?
- And this ... this ... this ... Russophobia!
- Ah, since Russophobia, then okay. Nate you still medals!
When professional scouts have been led by a country for 20 years in a row, it happens that sooner or later it happens to any old spy - a failure and a kick in the ass.
Antiscrep:
Well, go nuts, in short. In which T-shirts are we going to run in the World Cup-2022? In the whites? Red? Black? If we get, of course.
Everything can be even worse, "bottom" we have never reached. Athletes will be able to act in a neutral status (and there were calls to prevent this). Probably, athletes will be able to train (and pass doping control) in the territory of the Russian Federation - this is not indicated in explicitly. It is also possible that part of the events will be able to save. All this can change for the worse if the Russian side is continued to be wonderful in order to avoid recognition of responsibility and "defeat at all costs." For example, if there are attempts to bribe (or, good, intimidate) sports officials or arbitration judges. This is probably what the head of the anti -doping agency Yuri Ganus, one of the few retaining the adequacy of officials: "The worst [may happen], if there is an incorrect reaction to the whole horror that occurred."
UPD. It will be difficult, because to lie and deceive is part of the political culture of our leadership. Like the religious conviction that everyone else does the same.
Since the time of the USSR, sport has been a state-owned, means of political propaganda and an ideological tool: that the Olympics-1980, that the 2014 Olympics. And always for show. In 1980, they launched a bear, and in 2014 they already massively changed the urine athletes.
Yes, our athletes were great. But with great pawns on someone else's field. They never belonged to themselves, but were state property. They were disposed of, they were rearranged, they were sold and bought, they were allowed into expenses. And so today, when our senior officials, starting with Putin, personally giving rise to a doping scandal and <billed> in it, covered the whole country and its sports history with a great shame, they are again trying to relieve themselves of responsibility and hide behind the backs of athletes.
Yes, alas, the most injured are pure athletes who, I am sure, we still have. This is not their fault, this is their trouble, that their fate and careers are performed by state idiots.
The WADA solution is bitter and offensive, but it is correct. A painful injection should at least stop the spread of the disease. It is better to lose worthy than to win, waving the flag, from which the lace of false urine brings to the whole world.
The most persistent fighters of positions have not yet been handing over.
At the moment, Wada is the most successful NATO unit.
- Radio Bench (@radiostydoba) December 9, 2019
Everything is very simple. Do you want this story with doping to instantly end? Rent Crimea, leave Syria, stop helping Donbass. And preferably, make Navalny as president. Then all the great Russia will be free from doping. All that remains, from Tver to Ryazan.
- Voice of Mordor (@spacelordrock) December 9, 2019
Lesya Ryabtseva:
The story of the removal of Russia from international competitions, of course, is the continuation of anti -Russian hysteria. After all, it is not good for the Russians to be strong, beautiful, smart and the very first. This cannot be shown, this cannot be allowed. This can only be perceived as a fear of competition.
Julia Vityazeva:
For the Crimea, for the Donbass, for Syria, for the Olympics in Sochi, for the World Cup, for the failed isolation, useless sanctions, etc.
And also because sport is outside politics, yes ...
In Russia, it became popular to blame the Russian sports bureaucracy in a doping scandal. I will say a possible unpopular thing - stop carrying nonsense about some special guilt of the Russian sports bureaucracy. Moreover, these are the nonsense that you will press you into your heads of information resources just those who arbitrarily and dishonestly remove Russia from sports. Perefers to humiliate you. And you repeat what they want to hear from you. What they put in your heads.
Our bureaucrats are not angels, but they are no worse than bureaucrats of other countries. They are all the same, bureaucrats of different countries. And for some reason there are no complaints. And for some reason, claims appeared to Russia immediately after 2014, after the annexation of Crimea to Russia. Coincidence or what? After the start of the hybrid war with Russia. And the removal of Russia from sports is part of this hybrid war. Russian bureaucrats are to blame for something. But most importantly, Russia is not at all a leader in doping, but, on the contrary, as a result of pressure and search even a hint of doping, today in professional sports Russia is the country's cleanest country among all really sports powers. And we have a geopolitical opponent, who established his political control over international organizations, eliminates from sports not for doping, but for independence from them, for sovereignty, for pride and honor. They want the Russians to bow to them to obey. And we will not obey them. And they will have to accept it.
Vada can be pascuted and throw us cockroaches in a communal cuisine soup. And in Syria, we defeated weapons and win everywhere where we will decide to enter into a direct conflict. Even in our current state.
But friends, in the middle of screams and cries and stream of self -flagellation, I did not see one thing - on which Wada justifies her decision. We heard the resulting part. Now I would like to hear or read, on the basis of which Vada decided that the database of the laboratory was opened, was replaced in it? In other words - what evidence that changes were made to the base? Wada’s path will tell about this in any language - English, technical, Albanian, and IT SLANG. But let him tell you what their evidence was built on! They must do this. Otherwise, this is the same “evidence base” as chemical weapons, the generals whom Kim Jong Ir is fingering dogs, Abbol and Somali pirates.
It is necessary to understand that initially the Wada case is banks with the urine of athletes. And in the end, over the past few years, the anti -doping laboratory has become a monster, a kind of world sports gender, an analogue of the NKVD, by the way, the abbreviation is also of 4 letters. The NKVD in sports, which now decides the fate of not individual athletes, but entire countries.
Sergey Kolyasnikov:
Well, Russia was excommunicated for 4 years from Olympiads and world championships
Just do not say that this is unexpected. They are trying to put pressure on all the fronts, and leave the fairy tales "Sports outside the policy" to defective kids.
Of course, it is worth leaving the Crimea and from the Caucasus, to give Siberia and the Arctic under the protectorate of the democratic world community (read the USA), and again Russia will be the best friend, our officials are welcome guests in European offices, and you look, and will be allowed to perform.
As for me, the syntitation develops naturally. If you have a pumped -up remade man in women's sports under an allowed doping due to asthma, this is no longer the Olympiad. This means that the Olympics, as we remember, died.
And this, in turn, is an occasion to create an analogue of BRICS in sports. And not so much to participate in competitions, but, in fact, to protect traditional sports. I don’t know how you are, but I am wildly to see American tennis players growling with bass and waving sweaty eggs. This, excuse me, is not a sport.
Andrey Medvedev
Ay, well, well. The Vice President of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Linda Helleland said that she demanded the application of more stringent sanctions against Russian sports.
"I am very upset, I insisted on full disqualification",
Norwegian Linda Helleland, as a sports official, did not see either American pumped masculine tensiles and gymnasts. I didn’t notice - it’s surprising - how Norwegian atsmatic skiers use salbutamol in tons. And they win, such alert. Bjurndallen, who in more than forty furniture furnaces very young athletes. Of course, what is the doping? Pure talent.
In the USA, almost 30 percent of long -distance runners are also asthmatics.
Or Pigor Felps. 9 medals at one Olympics. He, as it were, has a slight degree of autism, and therefore he bursts with handfuls for stimulating the brain and heart activity.
I can give such examples hundreds. But in general, it is clear - Russia is not punished for doping. In general, this one has nothing to do with it.
Russia is punished for the fact that it is Russia. For the fact that they took and did not break. For the fact that in Seoul - under a neutral flag, of course - but protruding, gritting their teeth. And they won.
And it is unlikely to end this. Vad's stubborn officials will continue to try to deprive olipiad and sports in general. Another thing is that they do not know our history well. In the Russians to put pressure, try to intimidate or humiliate - it will ultimately be more expensive for yourself. Not in sports. So we will answer somewhere else.
But here's another thing I want to notice. It would be great if our sports officials fought for our athletes, with the persistence, anger and fanaticism of Vad officials.
PS but who has not seen. The film "Doping" was shot two years ago. Miraculously there, Anthony Bosch - for four years in the USA he served for doping - talks about net sport in the United States.
And Johnson (Ponmite of such a runner?) It is very interesting to tell how he was caught on doping so that the sneakers that Lewis advertise better.
Pilling athletes with doping is the norms. Replacing samples with urine through a hole in the wall is normal. Flowing the database of doping industry is also a norm. Honored punishment for all these multiples is a firm Russophobia. Look, do not confuse
- ChRKFF🇬🇪🇺🇦 (@chrkFF) December 9, 2019
Propaganda turned on terrible nonsense about the fact that our athletes are clean, but the Americans and Norwegians drink doping.
So they idiotic again, as when they ruled the base ...
No one has accused a single Russian athlete now. Of the 145 suspicious ones, a third acts, the rest completed their careers, their exposure is still ahead, as well as disqualification. Soon we will learn, for example, who drank doping among deputies of the State Duma and sports ministers.
Now Russia has been accused of falsifications and corruption. Antidoping is not only stupidly drinking or not drinking doping, for example, storage of databases, conducting preventive measures, zero tolerance to athletes who took prohibited drugs.
So not Russian athletes, but Russian officials made the country an outcast in world sports. And this is not Russophobia. It’s just that the state is obliged to fight doping, and not to encourage it, hiding traces.
Doping and pharmacology are the basis of any professional sports around the world. It is impossible to show the results of the corresponding level without the mobilization of all resources of the already reloaded organisms. Therefore, advanced technologies are in demand here in all countries.
The keyword is advanced. Creating a modern drug that gives qualitative improvements is monstrously expensive. Comparable to the creation of a new car from scratch. That is, the bill goes for a billion (or even billions) of dollars. And we are not only about money, adjacent advanced developments are required in a variety of industries and sciences. It’s just that you can’t fill the problem with money and you can’t get the result. Modern doping is already full -fledged technologies of the sixth way. Biotechnology, genetic engineering, nano -development.
The problem is that anti-doping structures are also not from caves, and therefore with a lag for a year or two are able to catch new methods and evidence of stimulating the result. Therefore, in parallel with the drugs to stimulate the river, work is actively underway to create drugs and technologies masking them. What complicates the life of Wada, but again, it is only a time when the agency can create identification methods and, accordingly, replenish lists of prohibited drugs. In general, the classical war of the shield and a sword, armor and shell. At stake - billions that receive professional sport for advertising. And for that kind of money, a sports business finances any at the cost of developing pharmacologists.
Actually, that's all. Russia, as a country of deeply third world, the roadside of world civilization, but with the kids of the main one, is not even theoretically capable of participating in this exciting struggle. Although he really wants to. Therefore, she is forced to use what cheaper, and in other words - long -armed, and therefore cheap drugs and technologies. Developing mainly technologies for fraud, falsifications and samples. It is logical - it is much easier to replace a test tube than to spend a billion on the creation of the drug. It is important that the main one is satisfied and can present a well -deserved award in the Kremlin to future deputies of the State Duma.
That's just Vada, such cunning clicks like nuts. And they didn’t see that. Therefore, Russian athletes and federations come across an order of magnitude more often than Western. And why not come across if the drugs are ancient, and the level of special services - well, what is the level, we already see in the case of Skripal or here in the current scandal with the killing of the next someone in Germany. If our saboteurs are no longer able to correctly eliminate the enemy of the people without licking everywhere wherever possible, then replace the test tube with cherished urine - all the more so. There requires a piloting of a much higher flight (without fools, by the way - Vada’s test tubes do like spaceships - it will not be possible to drill a hole, although they are trying)
In general, enemy intrigues are explained simply - our current deplorable and wretched state. A poor country cannot participate in the advanced pharmacological competition in equal terms with leading countries. And since I really want to, then it comes across constantly. That's the whole sad story.
So, individual athletes have the right to speak at competitions, although not under the national flag. But now there are discussions, but whether they need to go there, or to boycott world sport with the whole country.
The decision of the strange WAD on the ban on the athletes of Russia to speak under his flag. I pretend to hold a referendum among all Russian athletes performing in the mecess. Competitions: do they agree to participate in competitions under such conditions or will they jointly refuse to humiliate?
- Vitaly Tretyakov (@v_tretyakov) December 9, 2019
Regarding sports. Now Russia has only one way out: to suspend their membership in Wada and IOC, terminate the payment of contributions, file lawsuits in international courts and begin to work out alternative ways of developing the world Olympic movement, because this is a dead end.
- L.T.P. (@Reallemonad) December 10, 2019
Boris Yakemenko:
Russia was removed for four years from Olympiads and championships. There is a terrible panic on the network.
Now let's ask ourselves with the question: "So what?"
What's happened?
Why should we participate? We cannot differently express our attitude to the world and prove that we are? We wanted to go there not only to prove again that we are the best, or what is no worse than others, but, more importantly, to monitor the reaction. It is so important for us that they will say in the West (as if there was a time when Russia was touched there), as they would appreciate there. This is our main, eternal problem - endlessly to prove that we are better, constantly making excuses to those whom we do not put in a penny in the media and kitchen conversations, strive to like those whom we have historically won more than once.
The best thing in this situation is to ignore all these sentences and stop taking part in the Olympiads, championships, Eurovision, and other long -outer entertainment of the past. It is necessary to stop catching up, you need to go across, race, invent your own and offer. Nothing happened except that we have a chance to impose ourselves to an era and become free.
And we have a panic ...
How did Chekhov ask: "An amazing thing! Why don't you want to be independent? Why is freedom so disgusting to you?"
Why?
Pyotr Tolstoy was going on in the power further than all, he proposes to refuse to participate in the Tokyo Olympics.
Can Russia boycott the Olympiad (as the capricious thought of Peter Tolstoy calls), on which it will not be allowed? Nature did not just rest at the descendant, she was flooded on the poor fellow.
- Elena Kholopova (@lenakvicy) December 10, 2019
Media technologist:
The moment when it would be worth keeping silent.
The head of the Russian delegation in PACA and the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Peter Tolstoy, in which there is not a drop from his famous relative, said that Russia did not need to go to the Tokyo Olympics under a neutral flag, and it is necessary to organize its sports championships.
Who will Russian athletes compete with then? With the DPR, LPR, Abkhazia, Transnistria and Southern Ossetia? Will the main prize be Russian citizenship? It is unlikely that athletes of the top level from other countries will go to Russia for competitions, which are created only to milk to amuse the ego of the unsuccessful Russian officials from sports and politicians protecting them.
Another question is, if we organize the first pharmoolimpi games in Russia, in which athletes can eat and prick anything for the best result. Such games will still appear sooner or later, so why not Russia become their ambassador?
You give the Spartakiad of the peoples of Russia, and then the games of goodwill (Goodwill Games)! Run through your Olympics and Fifoy
- Pavel Chikov (@pchikov) December 9, 2019
No need to be afraid of the boycott of the Olympic Games, the USSR has already proved the IOC in 1984! pic.twitter.com/yi7kqdihph
- Alexander Umyarov (@anumyarov) December 10, 2019
Who needs this Olympiad at all, if we need to spend our own with the boys from Abkhazia, Transnistria, D/LPR, we’ll smash all there, so everything okay 😁😁😁
- Ella Pamfilava (@circusrf) December 9, 2019
Who needs these Olympiads and new achievements, if in 2024 it will be possible to draw a parade in honor of the 10th anniversary of the victory in Sochi?
- Alexander Golovach (@golovach_aa) December 9, 2019
The response to the Olympics in the 20th and 30s, when we ignored it (or did not invite us), was the Spartakiad, that is, the games were held in honor of Spartak, who personified the struggle with the oppressors and embodied the type of correct heroism, which corresponded to communist ideology.
Now the ideology is different and it would be necessary to conduct alternative games in honor of other heroes. More patriotic and traditional.
For example, I would offer Kolovratiad.
And what - here, and there was a movie recently.
The first Eurasian Kolovratiad, for example. Sounds
I am quite indifferent to sports, but if the alternative Olympics appeared in parallel to the official, in which there were no restrictions on doping and pharmacochemical experiments, I would look like that.
And so that a beautiful infographics appear before the participation of each athlete: what exactly was pumped into him and what effects this should lead to.
I am well represented by this armament race of pharmaceutical companies: Chinese swimmers psychosynchronized for synchronized swimming; Somo seven-kilogram wrestlers from Mongolia and Macedonian biathlonists shooting in Macedonian.
I really hope that for once, the Russian Federation will be able to turn its shameful ailment to the feat, will use the moment and create its alternative additional Olympiad-it is time to do something useful for humanity, faster, more and more.
People who are outraged by the fact that at the Olympics athletes will act without a national flag, and people who are proud of how the green men in Crimea “performed” without a national flag are the same people.
- Prof. Preobrazhensky (@prof_preobr) December 9, 2019
Poet Blok. From drafts
Ahead with a neutral flag,
In a white whisk of roses
Olympic our colossus.
Application of the LDPR faction: you have to go to the Olympiads and world championships. And win! The whole world will still know that these athletes under a neutral flag are Russians. And those who impose sanctions against sports Russia will answer for this.
- Vladimir Zhirinovsky (@zhirinovskiy) December 9, 2019
Athletes are the elite of our country. And the elite is the elite that we are not a couple with you. The elite is supposed to be cosmopolitan. Patriotism is for cattle and anchovies. And the elite - today here, and tomorrow - there. Here he broadcasts from the TV screen, and there he has citizenship and residence permit. Here he is a member of United Russia, and there he is a simple apolitical citizen of Germany. Вы еще "спасибо" скажите, что сегодня специально для вас элита использует патриотическую риторику. В 90-х даже риторики не было. Цените. Поэтому, когда спортсмен говорит, что выступает за родную страну, он говорит так, чтобы сделать вам приятно. Завтра он будет горд тем, что выступает за другую страну. Ничего в этом плохого нет. He has the right.
Но слышны голоса и вполне лояльных блогеров, которые не готовы перекладывать всю вину на ВАДА.
Alexander Kots:
Я уже говорил в прошлый раз и скажу в этот то же самое. Конечно в решении ВАДА есть политика. Она, как минимум, выражается в повышенном внимании именно к российским потребителям спортивной фармакологии, хотя жрут ее, разумеется, все. И чем больше мы будем это игнорировать, делая круглые глаза и уверяя, что мы самые чистые в мире, тем сильнее будет к нам внимание.
Все мы слышали, как глава РУСАДА признавался, что Россия изменила тысячи допинг-проб. При этом я что-то не помню, чтобы кто-то из российских функционеров за это был наказан. Чтобы шло какое-то громкое расследование с еженедельными отчетами перед болельщиками и спортсменами, которых чиновники от спорта поставили в положение раком. А без гимна и флага - это именно такое положение. И тут уж личный выбор каждого.
И чем дольше мы будем соглашаться на такое положение вещей, тем больше с каждым разом будет политики. Я считаю, что с нейтральным флагом на Олимпиаду можно ехать только при одном условии, что этот флаг по окончании соревнований будет на первой строчке турнирной таблицы. А не болтаться где-то ниже ватерлинии немым доказательством для «доброжелателей»: «Не можете ничего без допинга».
Maxim Kononenko:
У меня нет никаких вопросов к WADA и вообще ко всей этой совершенно самозванной системе допинг-контроля. Я еще в прошлый раз всё про них написал.
Но у меня есть внутренний вопрос: по чьему указанию правили базу данных?
То, что база данных была поправлена признается РУСАДА. Причем руководство РУСАДА говорит, что не знает, то ее правил. И о том, что ее поправили, руководство РУСАДА узнало уже после того, как базу передали.
И вы знаете: я им верю.
Но пусть нам скажут, кто ее правил? Насколько я понимаю, гарантом ее сохранения выступал Следственный комитет. Совершенно не обязательно, что правили они.
Но пусть нам скажут: КТО?
Лично мне это важно. Это важно России.
Tina Kandelaki:
Исполком WADA лишил нас права участвовать в крупных международных турнирах на 4 года. В списке запрещенных для нас отныне соревнований находятся не только Олимпиады, но потенциально и чемпионаты мира, так что если кто-то рассчитывал на то, что мы вот-вот перевернем страницу, — вас ждет еще и следующий том.
Да, спорт высших достижений испорчен деньгами, политикой и властью. Кому-то легче кивать на Запад и намекать, что рыльце в пуху у всех. Да, самые яркие спортсмены в мировом спорте — не более чем высокооплачиваемые пешки, которым в духе «Крестного отца» делают предложение о допинге, от которого они не могут отказаться. Но согласятся ли наши чистые атлеты на еще четыре года давления, подозрений и упреков? Будем ли мы обвинять их в отсутствии патриотизма, когда они решат сменить спортивную юрисдикцию? Я знаю точно, что никого не смогу упрекнуть. Человек ищет, где лучше, а на утро 9 декабря лучше точно не у нас. И вот здесь мы подходим к вопросу ответственности, последствий и перспектив.
В этой истории есть конкретные виновники. Люди, которые хотели выслужиться там, где их никто об этом не просил. Они легко пожертвовали судьбами спортсменов, а теперь и спортивными перспективами всей страны. Мне кажется, нам пора вывести их из сумрака, наказать по всей строгости закона и заодно начать перестройку всего российского спорта. Хотели мы того или нет — сегодня нас действительно обнулили, и теперь нам точно уже нечего терять.
Правильно будет, если вся эта ситуация с WADА станет поводом для серьёзного пересмотра того, что творится у нас в спорте. Для пересмотра, выводов, наказаний и принятия соответствующих мер. Но боюсь, этого не случится, а всё скатится в обыденный бесполезный политический срач.
а я единственный в тви, кто не смотрит спорт высоких достижений и не интересуется Олимпиадой? Отстранение от международных игр может быть и важно, но вот отсутствие в стране импортных вакцин и лекарств тема гораздо более серьезная и с более драматическими последствиями
— Artem Torchinskiy (@tema57) December 9, 2019
Мне лично вообще пофиг спорт уже давно. Надо развивать физкультуру и массовый спорт а не олимпийский! Никакой ВАДА с шарадой не могут мне запретить бегать по стадиону или ходить играть в волейбол в школе! А олимпийский спорт это сплошная коммерция и шоу, соревнований там нет.
— Сергей Горбунов (@edrnsk) December 9, 2019
С удивлением узнал, что существуют некие "мы", которые неравнодушны к судьбе "наших" фигуристок, футболистов, легкоатлетов, биатлонистов и прочих профессиональных развлекателей, находящихся на государственном иждивении. Если что - я у государства биатлонистов не заказывал! И полуголых несовершеннолетних девиц на коньках - тоже.
По поводу отстранения России от международных соревнований у меня только одно соображение - и славно! Может, денег сэкономим. Многие годы я пишу о лицемерности финансирования за госсчет большого спорта в таких странах, как наша. Потому что расходы на содержание спортсменов несоизмеримы с приносимой их победами пользой. Огромные, какие-то просто невероятные деньги у нас тратятся на отдельных атлетов и на спортклубы как на самостоятельные проекты. Стране от этих трат нет никакой пользы. После Сочи за первое место вручали 4 млн рублей. За второе - 2,5 млн. Бронзовая медаль оценивается в 1,7 млн рублей. Кроме того, они получили по Мерседесу престижных серий. После летней Олимпиады в Рио-де-Жанейро победителям дарили БМВ. После корейской Олимпиады - тоже давали машины.
Не спорю, труд за победой стоит тяжелый. Но почему платить за них должна я, например, из своих налогов? Лично для меня, для моей семьи они что сделали? Nothing! Пускай им платят миллионы и дарят подарки частные поклонники. Пускай они зарабатывают на рекламе. Никакого отношения к государству их достижения не имеют. Государство и так потратилось на них, пока они тренировались. Кто-то реализовывает свои детские мечты и амбиции, выигрывает гонку, попадает в телевизор - почему граждане обязаны за это платить?
Огромные денежные призы за счет казны в спорте аморальны. Как и строительство стадиона для "Зенита" за счет города. Нам нет прока от этих трат.
И неправда, будто большой спорт служит в нашей стране популяризацией здорового образа жизни и спортивных секций. Бесплатных секций все меньше, они есть только в крупных городах, большинству детей недоступны. Причем, даже если ребенок записан в СДЮШОР, хоть на танцы, хоть на хоккей, хоть на бокс, родители вынуждены покупать за свой счет форму, снаряжение, почти всегда они сами оплачивают поездки на соревнования и находят сопровождение. То есть, в реальности заниматься серьезно спортом в России могут только дети состоятельных родителей и лишь в мегаполисах. А некоторые виды спорта - хоккей, фигурное катание, художественная гимнастика - стали доступны исключительно богатым. То же - с бальными танцами.
Эффект популяризации спорта есть, а последствий нет, потому что парнишкам, которые, впечатлятся достижениями футболистов, некуда пойти. И гимнастки с фигуристками ни на что не мотивируют - у семей нет денег покупать коньки, костюмы, оплачивать тренировки у именитых мастеров и возить детей на соревнования.
В очень неприятной ситуацией с ВАДА есть только один несколько обнадеживающий аспект.
Быть может закончатся эти бесконечные политические карьеры через спорт...
Насколько я понимаю, причиной последнего скандала стало внесение изменений в базы ради того, чтобы прикрыть тех, кто теперь стал политическими шишками.
А эта бесконечная спортсменократия (при том, что никого не хочу обидеть, есть среди депутатов-спортсменов и замечательные люди как Валуев) - достала. Она символизирует _полное_, именно что _полное_ отсутствие в России Нормальной Политической Элиты.
В стране с нормальной политической элитой профессиональный спортсмен сможет попасть в парламент хорошо если раз в 30 лет, а не массовой комплектацией в каждом созыве, как у нас.
И, быть может, тогда у нас хотя бы на уровне парламента, не говорю выше, появятся люди, которые смогут процитировать хотя бы четыре строчки Илиады на языке оригинала.