"The woman does not belong to anyone: neither the state, nor the 75th anniversary of Victory, nor Santa Claus"

Femactivist Zalina Marshenkulova - about the conflict with "Dvich", jokes on the verge and inner misogy

In February, the frontman of the German groups Rammstein and Lindemann Till Lindemann released a pornographic clip in which girls from Russia starred. A few days later, users of the Image Border “Dvach” revealed the identities of these girls. Threats began to act actresses, they began to poison them in social networks. The journalist and creator of the telegram channel “Women's Power” Zalina Marshenkulova stood up for them and also began to receive threats. According to the media reports , the radical community in the base assigned a award for the video with the “reprisal” over the activist, and the anonymous users began to send her screenshots , where people allegedly agreed to beat her. Julia Dudkina talked with Zalina Marshenkulova about the conflict with Dvich, jokes on the verge and inner misogy.

* *How do you feel? You wrote about your pregnancy and that you are worried about the child. ****

- How can you feel when you are in a completely unprotected state, in full total ******* [nightmare]? When you didn’t even do anything like that, I just said publicly that you can’t call on women's persecution, and got a ton of shit for this? In fact, I was generally not going to tell and write about my pregnancy before childbirth. And I would not have done this if I had not been threatened to kill and dismember.

* * That is, you wrote about this so that readers understand the seriousness of the situation? ****

- Yes, that is how.

* * You submitted an application to the police and asked for state protection. Do you think this will help? ****

“I don't really believe it.” The application submitted more for the protocol. If something happens to me, let the police have all the necessary data and a list of people who threatened me. I understand that the police act on the principle of "when they kill, then come." So, if they kill me, my statement to the police will come in handy.

* * - You called on readers in social networks to complain about the posts of people who post the contacts of girls from Pornlip Till Lindemann. Did it work? The Twitter administration somehow responded? ****

- No, no reaction. And the post in which fake quotes are also not deleted under my photos. Twitter support does not react at all. This is despite the fact that I was recently banned on Twitter for a harmless comment. After all, the binecks - how do they do? They arrange a report-ataki. You write something, and they complain about you with all in a blade. And so, about a month ago, a person wrote a post with curses and insults to me. I replied: "Mamonts like you would have died out faster." And they all began to complain about this answer. I was banned for a day, I had to remove the tweet and close the account. Although I have nothing to be ashamed and hidden. Innocent bloggers who write about good are banned for what. At the same time, entire communities of people are calling for persecution and violence and live calmly.

* * - You were threatened before. How did you understand this time that the situation becomes really serious? ****

-It is one thing when it is clear that the posts are written by some illiterate shuttle or just people who are not in themselves. Another thing is when you see screenshots from the correspondence in the base ( “for the benefit of the common people” - the radical organization of Azerbaijanis who act in defense of “traditional values” - approx. “Cold” ). They assigned a reward to the one who will shoot the video where they beat me. These are the feminine structures - these are not just schoolchildren. Of course, you will not prove that correspondence is not a joke. But it’s better not to check.

* * Do you think the male movements are so activated now? ****

- I hope this is just agony of Patriarchate. When the system is outdated and rotten, when it has a serious opponent, completely crazy organizations always appear. This is such a reaction of the system to its own death.

Do you think that the main role in your persecution played [the popular Russian imageboard] "Dvach"?

- Certainly. Abu [the owner of the Image Border "Dvach" Nariman Namazov] has a strange attitude towards me. Even before the beginning of this story, he devoted a million offensive tweets to me. Although I never wrote anything about him. I don't understand what I gave him like that? I understand that he is a supporter of dominance over women. Naturally, he doesn’t like me. But this is really strange - he has been devoting a bunch of posts to me for several months, but I have not even contacted him even.

* * Are you scared? ****

- I would not say. It’s not that I was scared, I was rather ****** [surprised] from the fact that people create such lawlessness with impunity. I do not think that my reaction looks like I am scared. I filed an application, continue to write on social networks, joke. I am in cold blood.

* * Do you know something about the fate of girls from the clip? ****

I managed to find four. The rest did all the accounts, hiding. They are very scared, they do not want to do anything, to make contact with anyone. With those whom I managed to find, human rights activists are now working.

* * Did you help them contact them? ****

Of course. I began to intercede for them not to get a head. I was afraid for these girls.

* * What do you think, why did this clip cause such a reaction? ****

- Personally, I looked at him and did not see anything like that. This video is in the spirit of Lindemanne, I would say, traditional. I saw such a comment on the Web: “How could you suck a German in the year of the 75th anniversary of Victory?” It seems to me that it's not about the video itself. It’s just that we cannot convey to people that a woman is not a piece of meat, not a national heritage. Here is the story, as with the World Cup, when they poisoned the girls who had sex with foreign fans. Not everyone understands: to star in the video, a woman should not ask for written permission from all men from the Internet. It does not belong to anyone: neither the state, nor the 75th anniversary of Victory, nor Santa Claus.

* * At the same time, the video is pornographic, and the supporters of feminism usually oppose porn. ****

- They oppose the operation of women and violence. And this is exactly what happens often in porn is true. But in this case, it is not important whether the girls starred in a porno -clip or not. The problem is that they are being poisoned that they did something at their request.

* * You, among other things, wrote a statement about slander to the police [part. 2 tbsp. 128.1 of the Criminal Code]. This refers to pictures with your fake quotes. Do you think you can demand punishment for people for pictures on the Internet? ? ****

- Yes, no punishment. I want to conduct an audit and oblige people to delete pictures, that's all the punishment. Inadequate people pester me and demand that I make excuses for them for these fakes. For what I did not say. Let me criticize, mix with mud for my real quotes - please. But I do not want to be responsible for what I have never said.

It used to be a continuous misogy. Each said: “They are whores, so they need. And I'm well done, I boil borscht. "

* * Are you not tired over the past few years from Internet conflicts? ****

- No. I have a very painful reaction to injustice. I just can’t be silent, I can’t live differently. You can ban me on Twitter, you can even kill. I will speak from the other world. I was still at school. Sympathetic write to me: “Why did you get climbing at all? I would sit quietly with my pregnancy. ” I answer them: "That's why you live the way you live." Therefore, we find ourselves in a world where 400 thousand people ( referring to the number of “Dvach” subscribers in social networks - approx. “Cold” ) fake fakes and hatred of girls who did nothing to them. People believe that if injustice does not happen to them, you can pass by. I can't do that. How can you not worry about other people?

* * You were surprised by such a tough reaction to the fact that you stood up for these girls? ****

- I was not particularly surprised. At the same time, I wrote a timid, polite post . I did not insult anyone. If you see that the duals allow yourself to write to me, you will simply blind. And on my part - neither response insults, nor raids. I just can't afford it. I can’t even write “********** [crazy] duals” - they will immediately run to me, and they will ban me. We live in such a system where anonymous men can do anything, and women - nothing. And other men see this, instead of interviewing, they begin to ask: “Have you joked myborn enough 11 years ago?” And let's show me everything how you joked 11 years ago and what were dressed in? ..

* Do you mean tweets with jokes about "hachi" and Jews? Do they have any context, history? *

- Yes. I wrote them at the dawn of Twitter's existence. It was a very toxic social network, very angry. Everyone wrote very hard things, rudely joked. When I began to lead Twitter, they poisoned me there. Literally called "khachikha." I mirror it. She answered those who wrote these jokes using the same words. Now I am accused of racism. How can I be a racist? I have a middle name - Hamidovna. Also grandfather Jew.

I know everyone understands that I am right. Even the creator [of the most popular humorous public on VKontakte] MDK Roberto Panchividze openly supported me recently. This is despite the fact that we had conflicts with him. But in the current situation, everything is obvious. You cannot call for violence and persecution. Dot.

Just some never recognize my rightness. It is scary to admit it to some men - the supporters of the patriarchal structure. And it’s scary to see that women began to intercede one by another. It used to be a continuous misogy . Each said: “They are whores, so they need. And I'm well done, I boil borscht. " And now everything is different. Now we say: “Leave me alone, I'm a whore too, so what?” The old world collapses, women will no longer react calmly to how other women are poisoned. And someone is very scary.

* You yourself used to despise other women before? *

- Certainly. As a child, I studied best of all, I was such a star in my city. When you stand out with something, you begin to think that everything is stupid around-you are alone in a white coat. I was interested in politics, the theory of state and law. And the girls did not encourage the parents of such hobbies - so it was not clear to them. I did not know that it was because of education and stereotypes. I thought these were the girls are just stupid, and talked with boys lyceumers. So it works. You begin to think: "Women are fools, I will be better with men."

When I did the Breaking Mad project, I saw a lot of discussions on the Web, they say, this is some kind of “bearded man”. Allegedly, only a man can have such a sense of humor and an evil tongue. And it began to make me to go. I began to think: “Wait, why only a man? I did it, and I am a woman. " I began to delve into, read about feminism. And she gradually realized that women are not stupid, that we just live in a patriarchal discourse.

* And in which environment did you grow? It seems you started working early? *

- Yes, at the age of 14 I went to the newspaper to earn a living with my mother. The childhood was hellish. Father on his mother with a knife rushed. Then they divorced when I was ten years old, and my mother began to drink a lot. I worked a lot, broke out of poverty and hell literally. I entered the Moscow State University, moved to Moscow. For the thesis, she received the Pyotr Konchalovsky award - 400 thousand rubles. With this money, I almost rebuilt the old grandmother's house in the suburbs to move my mother here. Otherwise, she would have disappeared there on Yamal.

* How are loved ones react to what is happening? Mom, husband? *

- Mom is horrified. I never complained to my relatives for anything, did not ache ... I tried to deal with everything myself. But a couple of years ago I gave my smartphone a couple of years ago and signed it in a telegram to Medusa and Mediazon ( both publications were declared “foreign agents”. - Note “Cold” ). Now she knows what is happening in the world. He will read, and then calls me in a panic: “Is that true?”

I understand that I look like ******** [crazy] woman who does not sit still. Yes, so it is.

* Close somehow help you cope with what is happening? *

- How can you help? The main thing is that I am not ********* [getting]. And then some call with senseless conversations: "Well, why do you need it?" I understand that I look like ******** [crazy] woman who does not sit still. Yes, so it is. Only, unfortunately, except for ******** [crazy], nobody needs anything in this world. I would like ******** [crazy] to become a little more.

Many say: "Where are you going, you yourself have everything okay." I have - yes, fine. Happy marriage, beautiful husband. In the patriarchal sense, everything is just wonderful.

* You often write about polyamoria. Apparently, everything is not so patriarchal? *

- No, I would say that we really have a traditional marriage. We have been married for 12 years, and polyamoria is just our joint experiment, which we have conducted in the last couple of years.

* Successfully? *

- Successfully.

* You said that someone came up to you in real life with threats. Who was it? *

-Some man in the subway. He recognized me, shook by the shoulders, said: “Are you, this ********* [crazy] feminist?” He behaved very aggressively. I actually love public transport, I would not want to refuse it.

* * What safety measures do you take? ****

- My husband usually meets or escorts me. And also friends. By the way, many of them are men. I have many friends, they are ready to break and come for me somewhere, if necessary.

* * You did not have the thought of lurking, stop writing in social networks? ****

“Haters are just waiting for this - that you are scared, shut up and run away.” No, there was no such thought.

* * You are sometimes criticized that you yourself are “cheating” of men, you speak sharply. What can you say about this? ****

- Let them show me quotes. Maybe these are also fakes with Dvach? I'd like to see where I speak out sharply. Yes, I cannot afford it, they will block me right there. Anyway, why can't I be sharp? I am a quick -tempered person. Even if I am harsh - why are there no complaints about men on Twitter, what are they harsh? And how can you write about such things and make sure to remain sweet? And what else should I follow? Did the rapist politely answer violence? Is it a friendly enough with an oppressor?

* * The State Duma deputy Oksana Pushkin spoke in your defense. Has anyone else supported you? ****

- Yes, I wrote a lot of people. I don’t know if they want me to call their names. People are ready and financially helped, and even go out for me. Of course, it helps me a lot. Nobody will definitely go out for the anonymous from Dvach.