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Tatyana Lazareva - about irony, self -irony, money, coronavirus and pedicure

Humor and critical thinking not only in peacetime, but especially during global disasters - the same strategic resource as the national welfare fund, weapons, commandant hour, resuscitation and medicine. The ability to laugh at difficulties and their own behavior in difficult circumstances makes people more noble and stronger. This is a kind of responsibility to himself and others for the balanced understanding of what is happening. Will Russia have an irony and self -irony to cope with the world epidemic of coronavirus and quarantine? We talked about this with Tatyana Lazareva, leading many famous humorous programs, an actress, a singer, a KVN star and the mother of three children. The conversation was about Luis Corvans, jokes of the Russian leadership, wealth, happiness, the advantages of quarantine and the place of hair roots and pedicure in the life of cured humanity.

- Let's start from afar. How did it happen that you were on stage? Can you reinforce a little time ago?

- Wow a little, are you kidding me? But, however, what. There is nothing complicated. I studied in the eighth grade in Akademgorodok in Novosibirsk, and my parents put me in a group of the so -called political song “Amigo”. It was such a group of university students, former students of my parents, they also taught in a physical school. And this was such a group, they sang about Cuba Free, about Chile, Zimbabwe, Luis Corvan - that's all. And then I played the violin and sang, sang, sang. About imperialism. Something like that:

The Americans are terrible goats, their violence flourishes everywhere, pornographic films there is something there ... They have one benefit everywhere.

Well, that is, the imperialists were very bad, very. And by default, everything was fine. And I sang about it.

We toured this throughout the country. It was such a large Komsomol story, and I was so well -known in narrow circles, clever and schoolgirl. In the regional committee of the Komsomol, they loved me very much, Susy-Syushi. Glory to you Lord, lucky - so I think now. Because there, in the regional committee, there were no drugs.

Well, then in Poland, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic states, a song movement began, which was called "Social Conduct". They began to sing about internal affairs. And it came to us. And we had such a group, and with it we made an awesome program. There were already completely different things: perestroika, let's wake up, Ege-gay, Master Grisha, well, take your fists out of your pockets! And it was very cool, a powerful thing, we even performed in Moscow at the youth and students. We even had an album, which was called “Time to think”, figure out.

Then I studied. It was a western to enter the university, every dog ​​knew me there. So I entered the Pedagogical Institute, lasted two years there, and then left. And then for four years I studied in absentia at the Kemerovo Institute of Culture in the class, by the way, a saxophone. I was then fond of jazz, and it seemed to me that I should play him. I even had a saxophone. Such muck! I still remember this feeling of iron and wooden cane in my mouth.

Well, it doesn’t matter. Since I was all the time at the university, they began to take me to the cabbage. It was a super -mature occurrence, they could not get there tickets, although they cost already a whole ruble. And when it began on the television of KVN, from there, from there, from the cabbage, they took me with the whole number in which I made a parody of Laima Vaikul. That's all. Then this began.

- What is it?

- It was in the nineties that the most watching gear in the country was. And she was not about the rzhaka. People then basically did not even laugh, they clapped. Because suddenly they were allowed to speak on some forbidden topics, and it was shown on ORT. And when they showed me there, I realized: everything, I am a megazovezd.

And not because they show me there, but because I am carrying some sense.

- And what's the point?

- It's hard to say. He was probably that I was just beautiful on stage. Plus, I did not climb where it is not necessary. We had smart men in the team of Novosibirsk University, they understood a lot, and I helped them.

-One way or another, but still you have become one of those who laid the foundations of show business in our country. All these OSP studios, “good jokes” and other programs-they were not just jokes, they formulated new consumer values, criteria for popularity. Can you describe these values?

-When you are talking about show business, for some reason I think about Baskov and Kirkorov, and not about myself. I'm probably more about the show, not about business. But let's try. Still, I work on television-how much? - Thirty, probably years old. For all this time, I realized one main value. When people are looking at you, you should get from what you are doing. When you rush, everyone is looking at you. And when it stops to rewind you and it becomes not interested in you yourself - that's it. Everything collapses. No one looks at you.

- I probably are not so much interested in your values ​​now, I'm sorry. I'm still about the values ​​of the people on which show business is being built. For example: in Russia, is there really a sense of humor?

- Of course you. Do you not see all this, about coronavirus?

“I see, but I'm talking about something else.” Recently, the queen, Her Majesty of Great Britain, was addressing her people, and she was among the main resources on which her kingdom can get out of this world nightmare and could not break, called a sense of humor and the ability to critically relate to reality. It also works for us?

- Look. We have a sense of humor, there is. It is no less than that of the British and everyone else. We even have good jokes that even our leadership jokes. But there is one important point.

Everyone has an irony. But there is no self -irony.

Who is in full seriousness now, laugh at ourselves? Few, because it hurts, by the way. You get a scar from this.

Nevertheless, this is the only way to healing, I think. I will not go to personalities now, but I have a question: why does it work out for us: the higher you rise to power, the less doubt in yourself? After all, as soon as you lose self -irony, a critical attitude to yourself, all these Polovtsy and Pechenegs appear, on which you shift your own shortcomings. And now this is not funny. And if not funny, then it is no longer rushing.

And if it is not rushing, we must leave-such a law in show business.

Otherwise, the whole policy turns into a conversation with some storave children. As it happens: listen, I love you so much, but I will fire pancakes myself. Because you will guess the whole frying pan and kitchen, burn everything in the world. Fasten, I myself. But damn it! You will never learn anything, and you will never become independent. And instead of a sense of humor and a critical attitude to reality, lies and distrust of each other appear. He didn’t believe it, he lied there, he made the so-called correct choice and said nothing, and now-Hop Pa! - You are a deputy of the State Duma, not by night be mentioned.

- You yourself say: from self -irony you get a scar - and it hurts. But from its absence, you get advantages - social position, power, money - and this is nice. Isn't it?

-Well, you know, unlike many people who now have an ass, and those people who have always had an ass, at some moments of life, there really was an end to the edge. And what could I do with them? Probably fly the first class to where I want. And what else? Bags and bracelets, rings, pistols? Yes, money is power, power over circumstances, even over other people. But time goes on, and I understand: damn it, but I don’t need this power, I would have to deal with myself. And you know, to figure it out, there is a lot of money and you don’t need to.

Of course, I hear these voices right now: sitting, damn it, in Spain and discusses that there is no money. We need money, it is necessary. But I will say one thing now, you will laugh: do not make principles for the sake of money. Lord, what am I saying?! But, however, this is so. Now I am watching one series ... Are you watching some series?

- No.

- Well, right. So there is one man, financier, one drug cartel is going to advise. And so he says with his wife: listen, there is such a garbage, if I take it, it will be such money with which we will never think about money, and even our grandchildren will not. And he eventually agrees. And just horror begins, a nightmare.

It is impossible, impossible, it is impossible for a person to have any problems. It stops your growth, your personality. You have to achieve and solve problems all the time. Yes, in Russia it is believed: when you are rich - you are happy. So: not hell!

- Let's talk about problems then. What do you say about coronavirus?

- I found out about him not so fast when China was already closed. In general, I still do not really understand this story. I have been observing this pulmonary pneumonia for the past three years. My dad died from one of the pneumonia. He was 82 years old, he was a very strong old man, but he was replaced by three antibiotics, not one took him. Then there was an amazing story, about two years ago.

Mishka and I ( Mikhail Shats, Tatyana Lazareva’s husband.- “New” ) were in Spain, we chatted about something before going to bed, and at six in the morning he was already in the ambulance hospital, he had pneumonia, this story is swift. The last winter I had some kind of problem with the lungs. And everyone coughs all the time for a long time, they cannot get out of this.

And I thought: well, hello, opened America to us. But now I understand that all this is much more serious. So, here we are with my daughter Tose from March 16, we are sitting at the quarantine at home. Nobody on the streets. And I began to experience feelings about this. I will describe them to you.

I came up with such a hashtag: #global mural. I am completely sure: the world - he was waiting for all this. It was necessary that something shake him, give him his cheeks and said: “Ale, come to your senses!” Such a global Greta Tunberg conjured all this to us. And we had this peaceful and, by and large, sparing the opportunity to stop and think.

- About what?

- About yourself to your beloved. About not living your life automatically. Sorry for the banality: we all come here for some reason. For what? In Russia, it is usually terribly convenient not to think about it. Let someone else think about it, and I will be seeding to sit down, poking around. But now there was a time when we lost this excuse, when there was no work, money, previous opportunities. And what is in our pure remnant? Why was it all needed? Are you happy? And thanks to this time to the beautiful - God forbid, of course, so that we survive him - there is an opportunity to stop and think about all this.

There is such a wonderful parable. There was one sage, he walked somewhere and came to the city. The guard stopped him and asked: "Who are you and where are you going?" The sage says: “I am a wanderer, thinker, I go, I bring my knowledge to everyone, I myself learn something new. Who are you? " He replies: "And I am a guard, I stand, I don’t let anyone in and get one coin per week for it." And the sage tells him: “Come with me. I will pay you two coins per week, if you ask me your main question in the morning: who are you and where are you going. ”

- I understand this person. I had at one time a driver, an outstanding person, Alexei Yuryevich Makarov. It was very scary for me to ride with him, because he had survived all the time and drowned the oven in the car, and told me about the worst accidents that he saw in life. But I really cherished Alexei Yuryevich, because every morning he asked me the same terrible question: what are you going to do today?

“Have you tried sending him to hell?”

Because the story lies in the fact that, generally speaking, it is absolutely not necessary to do anything. It is certainly different: at the end of each day, understand that one way or another happened to you still was good and you needed. I recently ended up in a hospital in a kidney stone that fell on me from nowhere. And now I'm directly high because I have an official permission to do nothing. I can relax for a while and take a break from the pressure of society.

- And how does society press on you?

- For example, for many years I have been following the attitude of society towards myself. I read comments on my posts on social networks. Here they write: you, Lazareva, are so important fundamental, some straight rod in you, amazingly, you are very inspired by. OK. Can't you afford it? Who is in the way?

They ask: what are you so bold? What kind of boldest I am? I am still a reference. I can’t make decisions for months. I, like everyone else, want someone to come and take on my problems. But at the same time, I understand: no one will come and nothing will decide for me.

- Probably, this is your rod. But you have already decided what will happen when this whole epidemic and quarantine will end?

-No-no-no. I don't even think about it. To think about it, you need a lot of effort. The future has a myriad of opportunities. Who am I to deal with all these myriads? I am only interested in today, and in it I am terribly interested in how our view of our world today differs from, for example, a teenage. This is wildly interesting. So I am watching my Toska, she is 13 years old. Before she sat on online education, I chased her from all gadgets. Tosya! Get out! Tosya! Go out! Go! There! Here!

And when all this online education began, I suddenly just lagged behind her. I did not have any rights to deprive her of all these gadgets, she now studied in them. And I just shut myself up with a rag and since then I have been shut up. And after a couple of weeks, I suddenly realized: yes this is her world. She simply does not have any breaks from this isolation, from these global changes! She is happy! This is their dear, the world!

Of course, they will still think of him for themselves, and not for us. They will make some drones that will deliver something important to them.

They will convert the education system, because in its former form it will definitely never be.

How they are generally going to return children to schools, I do not understand. Another medicine, because the former clearly collapsed - it was on clay legs. Everything will be here for them, not for us. And we will seem to be smoked on the balcony of the ninth floor.

But now, Lord! What an amazing opportunity for parents to be with their children! Pay attention to them. Look at them. Then this will not happen. We must take this chance, otherwise why did we give birth to them? However, this is probably the topic of another interview.

- Maybe. But let's finish this for now. The new world, the world of current teenagers, does it attract you?

- So far, yes. I just don’t understand, with these drones, who, damn it, will paint my hair roots and make a pedicure?! This is my main question for the new civilization.