Dolphin: "It is important that there is an opponent"

By the beginning of summer, Dolphin released a clip for the song “Summer” - perhaps the most tragic song from its gloomy and desperate album “Territory”, anti -utopia, in which young and ardent hearts become cannon fodder. The clip "Summer" is just about this:

Taking advantage of the reason, Denis Boyarinov talked with Dolphin about his youth, adult manipulations and love.

- “Krai” is a continuation of “442” , but there is one big difference - a hero and a heroine appear there. The album opens with a song about the eternal power of love, which is more powerful in the world, and ends with a romance - the hero seems to have lost his love, but she forever remained in his heart. Do you really think that love can become a salvation for a person living in a world in which everything goes wrong?

- Love is not salvation. Love is a state of maximum possible resistance to all external factors. If there are two of you in this love (or even more - if this is a family), then this is a lot. If you love without reciprocity and live for this sensation - this is also a very large weapon.

- That is, love in your understanding is a source of some power, energy?

- You can say so. This feeling, giving serious grounds for existence. However, like hatred - hating, you can get such a thing that be healthy.

- I just wanted to notice that love easily turns into hatred, especially if it is unrequited.

- Hatred is generally the blood of love.

- It also seemed to me that one of the leitmotifs of the “edge” is how adults are cynically manipulated by young people.

- No, it did not seem.

- This is in you the father of two children who is afraid that his children will be used?

- In general, yes.

- What events have prompted you to think about it?

“When you are young, it seems to you that you can change everything, and you are ready to do the maximum that you can do for this - being only on the surface of what is happening, without bothering to study the work of the mechanisms that ultimately made you be outside and go out with protest (if we talk about protests). And this is absolutely normal. And it’s normal that it has always been so - that people are reasonable, more experienced and older, have always been manipulated by young people. It would be foolish not to use such a powerful strength and energy. But, when I observe this from the TV screen or just walking along the streets, it becomes obvious to me (exclusively from the point of view of the years lived), why young people stand on the street and why they have these posters in their hands. And from this it becomes ... When everything is clear, it becomes uninteresting and a little sad.

Love is a state of maximum possible resistance to all external factors.

- Are you trying to protect your children from manipulation? And is it possible?

- The only way is to be in touch with them. I cannot forbid them to do something. But, if a dialogue occurs, a discussion of some top, at least musical ones, through this, my attitude to the rest of life events is visible. Everyone can remain with their opinion, but my doubts, the questions I asked or the answers received from me will affect the decisions they made in the future. I can definitely warn them, but for this you have to be in contact with them and be ready to always answer questions.

- Let's talk about your youthful experience: have you been a victim of manipulations? Were there attempts to use a dolphin?

- The events close on the topic were during the pre -election campaign “vote or lose”. But even then I perfectly understood what I was doing, and did it consciously, because they paid very well for it. The “Boy” participated in it - there was a tour of cities at 30, a plane from the musicians, who flew from the city to the city, was seized. Absolutely a booze plane (laughs) .

-The producer Adamov recalled that the “Boacher” recorded the first songs in the studio on Kutuzovsky Prospekt almost under the clang of tanks caterpillars, who entered Moscow in August of 91 .

- This is the producer of Adams.

- Nevertheless, the "boyfriend" appeared in the turbulent time of political changes that occurred with Russia. What was your relationship with them? What did you think when you learn about the August coup?

- When I saw tanks on TV, I did not understand what was happening. But at that moment I was in a hotel room in Nice. He sat with his eyes: "What is it?"

- What did you do in Nice?

- We went to rest for a couple of weeks ...

I perceived the world around me as it was around me - I did not try to change it, but used what he proposed. There are no products in the store - and no, I did not pay attention to it. And he paid attention to friends, girls, to his hobbies. Everything else did not matter to me much: it was a given, according to the rules of which it was necessary to exist. Well, there are turnstiles in the subway - you need to lower five kopecks for travel, but you can always clamp these things with your hands and go for free. I didn't even think about it.

People are reasonable, more experienced and older, always manipulated young people.

- If you were not in Nice on August 19, 1991, but in Moscow - would you go to the White House?

“Perhaps he would go.” I could have been in some company and in general courage could be calm there. But I wouldn’t go on purpose.

- And what was important to you at that moment - music?

- First of all, yes. Hobbies-dances, music, something new. Through which, as I expected, I could assert myself among my peers. It was most important.

-How much did the texts of the “boyfriend corresponded to your sensation of yourself then-after all, it was still a production project?

-Initially, the group was conceived as an analogue of New Kids on the Block : there were a lot of people in it, and they all learned some strange dances. But after I, instead of one of the participants, went to the first tour and opened my mouth there under the phonogram, I was offered to stay in the team.

-That is, a sex roller for youth-this is your contribution to the "Boy." The Russian New Kids on the Block had to sing something saliva-romantic.

- Well, yes, the first tracks of the "boyfriend" were so ...

- That is, the texts were honest? You were such cool guys - well, or they wanted to seem to them ...

-Even if something was exaggerated there, we wanted to be like that. There was everything (laughs) .

- Why did you leave the "Boy" - was it a very successful project?

- We began to write new material, and it became clear to everyone that I was writing a solo.

- "Not in focus"?

-Yes, it became obvious that it was necessary to change something and, if you continue again for the twentieth time to fill the same topic, somehow does not go. I thought that something else should be done-and began to do something else.

- We started a conversation with love - it seems that you were lucky in love. Is that so?

- Yes.

- At the same time, little is known about your wife - on the Wikipedia page, where they usually write about personal life, not a word about her. Even her name is not.

- Well, good (laughs) . She herself does not eager to participate in this process.

- How did you meet Lika?

- We were introduced to the colleagues in the Boysman group. Already at the end of the team.

When you love a person, then everything you do, you devote to him or pass through him.

- An interesting fact that I gathered from the Internet: precisely because Lika was engaged in photography, the first two albums of the dolphin are called photographic terms - “not in focus” and “depth of sharpness”. This is true?

-Yes, because when it was necessary to somehow call the album, I thought for a long time, and then I decided that “not in the focus” is an excellent name. And then I decided to continue this topic.

- Indeed, if your first album is about how the young man is “not in focus”, then on the second he is already starting to be sharpened. Do these albums are autobiographical? What you describe there happened to you?

- Yes, sure.

- The artist’s woman is a muse or “faithful comrade” for him, who provides him with opportunities for work. How is it arranged in your pair?

- When you love a person, then you dedicate everything that you do or pass through him - even if, at first glance, it does not apply to him. The only person who should understand you - and this is important to you is the person you love. The opinions of the rest can burn in fire.

Therefore, any artistic action is still realized through this prism. But at the same time, with great gratitude that you can be focused on yourself and make the necessary selfish manipulations. Egoism - well, in a good way - is necessary in work.

- Do you consult with your wife about artistic actions - show her texts or music?

-I show at some stage. When the idea is formed, I definitely show it a preliminary result, because in the process of creation you can miss some important detail. She dangles in her eyes like a loud, but you don’t see her, because you are very immersed in this story and that on the surface, you do not notice. And she immediately sees such shortcomings.

-There are still people with whom you are consulting-who enter the dolphin focus group ?

- There is, of course, but they are influenced by the offering them to evaluate. And she does not experience such an influence. She is generally a drum.

“You became a father quite early ...

- At 26. We then recorded the “fins” record ... or she just came out when Eve was born.

- Did it change your songs greatly?

-I realized that I became a father, only three or four years after it happened.

- Because my wife took everything on herself?

- And therefore too. In general, it is very difficult-this concept should somehow appear in the head, germinate and form. I only later realized that it seemed to me that I was leaving for the studio to compose music so that the whole family was good, I urgently need to record records. It was partly so, but in fact I ran away from home problems. Only when I matured, I realized that I was afraid to be with the child - to be in the family and be a father.

-Do you have songs that are clearly connected for you with any events in life-for example, with the birth of children?

- So that clearly, - no. There are no cases or events. But sometimes specific places arise - for example, I perform a song and imagine a piece of a certain highway. It stands in front of my eyes. Or view from the window. Or someone's apartment. When you stand on stage, you sing a song and everything turns out well, you see a specific place that for some reason is connected with this song. Not directly, but like such a memo. It is not even clear why these places are remembered.

No plate can now be played as it sounded then.

- When you go on stage, do you have a fear of forgetting the words? Or doesn’t happen to you?

- It happens. This happens when something goes wrong. Roughly speaking, something in the headphone clicked. Or you hear that you play something wrong: you start to be distracted and get off the rhythm. And when everything goes fine-you can pronounce the words and at this time you think about something completely different and talk to yourself. Then you will come to your senses and you understand that he had already sang half a man, and during this time I managed to think about the fact that, relatively speaking, you need to buy in the store.

- Rehears to rehearse new songs - is it a pleasant process or painful for you?

- Rehearsals on their own are not a very pleasant process. Because until you play a song at the concert at least once .... If you played it at a concert and, thank God, everything went fine, then this is equal to ten rehearsals. Because this is a stressful situation. But without them, too, is impossible.

After the song began to live and it was played three or four times at the concert, there is an awareness that it is necessary to change-some nuances, which, possibly, are invisible to the listener, but make the song more solid, collected, thought out. And she begins to look from beginning to end as a living story.

- That is, for you to release a song on the album is only half the battle.

- Yes. By and large, this is still a sketch - a large sketch. At this stage, cool is just a formed thought, both musically and verbally. But this has nothing to do with what it will become in the future. Over time, sometimes you begin to understand her words in a different way -and another in it to put meaning in it. You start to look at her from a different angle - and the song begins to change.

But there are also successful decisions that came from the very beginning, and they have been preserved for a very long time. Because you perform a song and do not see the meaning in serious changes.

- Give an example of such a song.

- “Spring” - she was built on the guitar solo, which was invented by Sasha Petrunin ( Mewark - the producer of the album “Zvezda”. - Ed. ), And everything was arranged around this solo. No matter how many times we remade her - never came in. And in the end, having made a large circle of different changes, we came exactly the same option from which we started. Only in a more confident, concert form.

- Before you worked with various musical partners - always very good musicians. Recently, you do everything yourself. You used to work in a couple before, but now no longer?

- For me it is always important. It is important that there is an opponent with whom it could be talked about - from whose opinion it is to be repelled. And through this resistance-figuratively speaking, this is such a ping-pong , but with always winning their own presentation.

- And now you are fighting a shadow?

- (Laughs.) Yes, unequal. But I would be very glad to meet a ping-pong partner. That would be great.

- There is such a common concert genre when the artist performs one of his album from beginning to end. If you needed to make such a concert program, which album would you choose from your discography and why?

- I would try to avoid this. On one album, one thing is good, on the other - the other. I liked one mood here, there is another. And now I do not agree with anything to the end. No plate can now be played as it sounded then. As a result, it would have to be redone and re -worry - and that would be another, a new record. For feeding and all over. Although with the same words. Such a cover version is already.

- Do you have songs that you would not be able to perform now - simply because the language would not turn?

- I do not sing them (laughs) .

- Could the song “I love people” be able to sing now?

- She, in principle, is not bad and does not lose her relevance (smiles) . I am glad for myself in the past that I allowed myself to speak out like that. Now I can’t afford it. These are conditionally groundless and normal statements for youth. Now each such word should be a certain conclusion. And then these were pure emotions.

- Do you have a complete collection of all the dolphin releases at home?

- So that at home on the shelf it stands, - no. Sometimes you stumble when you disassemble old things-here some disk is lying around, there.

- And your books?

- There are no books either. The last time I saw a book in the pantry - with a spot from coffee on the cover. And what is she doing there (laughs) ?!