Interview with the assistant author of the Law on Nasvaviki

The Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg approved the bill on toughening the ban on the sale of alcohol in residential buildings. If the document is approved by the governor, from January 2021, alcohol will be able to pour alcohol only in bars with an area of ​​more than 50 square meters. Because of this, only dozens of establishments can be closed in the Central and Petrograd district. The petition in defense of the bars was signed by 10 thousand people.

"Paper" talked about the situation with Rostislav Serikov, an assistant to the author of the bill, deputy Denis four.

- Initially, it was assumed that the bill was directed against shops that, under the guise of bars, sell alcohol at night. However, then it turned out that the ban would affect primarily ordinary bars, which was outraged by many. Why was it decided to promote the bill further?

- We saw this indignation. But this indignation is not so much ordinary citizens as representatives of the entrepreneurial community. Our initiative is primarily based on the interests of ordinary people. We have a lot of appeals from the inhabitants of completely different corners of the city - these are both Veterans Avenue, and the Boulevard of innovators, and strikes, and Lunacharsky, and science.

The lion's share of appeals is from the Central, Admiralteysky, Petrograd, Frunze districts, in the residential buildings of which there are such glasses, extractive, “Nasvayki” - call them as you like. People complain, because due to the presence of such a beer in their house, there are constantly drunken fights, showdowns, public toilet in front of their windows. People call law enforcement officers several times a day. Of course, this requires intervention and settlement.

- Some restaurateurs doubt such a large number of appeals to you. Can you provide any evidence of mass discontent?

- Proof? Let restaurateurs go to social networks and monitor, let them read the reviews of people in the communities of residents of different areas. There are a lot of complaints, Denis Aleksandrovich [Four -year, author of the bill], showed them in the framework of the first reading. ( “Paper” could not be found in the open access of confirmation of this).

- Why is the bill adopted precisely in the form as now? It was impossible to finalize it so that local bars did not fall under the ban?

- We have been engaged in this topic for a year and a half. And now we have adopted our city law in the development of federal law. Last fall, we considered the draft federal law, in which it was proposed to provide such powers so that they could determine the minimum meter of service halls at the publications, where it is allowed to sell alcohol.

Then we proposed to provide the “fork” regions so that the regions themselves determine the meter: from 20 to 100 square meters. And, by the way, when a figure of 100 square meters was called, not a single appeal was received to us, there were no concerns on this score.

In addition, initially in the [one of the first] editions of the federal law it was proposed to fix the norm according to which the residents of the house have the right to determine whether they need a catering point. That is, for example, if the residents of the house on Rubinstein decide that their bar is complies with the rules and does not interfere with them, they can give good to his work. We welcomed such an initiative with both hands, but, to our great regret, to the final version of the federal law, which was adopted by the State Duma, this norm did not reach. This was already the powers of the federal authorities - we were put in such a framework that we can limit the sale of alcohol in residential buildings, only based on the squares of the establishments. We have no additional powers and did not have.

I want to emphasize that in our document there is no question of a total ban on bars and the sale of alcohol in residential buildings. We limit this to a certain meter - 50 square meters. Although we formally have the powers to completely ban the sale of alcohol in residential buildings. Even if the institution takes 500 square meters there. But we, repeat, did not resort to this.

Now we give a delay, a transition period of six months - so that entrepreneurs who own such small cafes, bars, can be re -profiled. Roughly speaking: maybe someone wants to open a coffee shop, book, pharmacy or other institution.

It is not necessary to sell alcohol. Now the realities are such that selling alcohol is the simplest and most profitable business, it does not require special costs: neither financial nor physical ones. But it is not good. For us, the interests of ordinary people are in priority.

Until the adoption of the law, the inhabitants of the notorious Rubinstein Street also wrote to us, and even collectively. For a second, 93 % of the residents of the entire Rubinstein Street experience significant discomfort just because of the presence of various kinds of establishments on their street: bars, cafes, “nuclear”.

- Where does the figure are 93 %?

- These numbers were beginning of 2020. A survey was conducted at Rubinstein. The residents themselves talked to each other. (According to Fontanka, the survey was conducted by the organization “Citizens of Rubinstein Street”, activists interviewed 177 people, of which 97 % reported that they had conflicts with bars and restaurants - approx. “Papers” ).

-Will something change on Rubinstein? According to our data, there are the area of ​​most establishments - more than 50 square meters.

- There are less than 50 square meters there. Moreover, now the inhabitants of Rubinstein drew attention to the fact that “NAMA” began to penetrate into their environs - and not on the highway itself, the street, but already to the yards. There are points that will definitely fall under the ban. There is no final information yet, this will need to be watched when the law enters and when the profile committee of Smolny will maintain the database.

- Can you name at least a few points that, according to your information, will definitely have to close?

-From the specific-veterans, 51. A continuous hassle of drunkenness, alcohol is sold around the clock, the ceremonials constantly have some kind of spontaneous gatherings.

- The bill can also close local bars, which normally coexist with local residents. What do you feel about it?

- We do not oppose the author’s local bars. We see these fears: moreover, Denis Aleksandrovich [four -saved] directly said that the Legislative Assembly is open to all constructive proposals, is ready to understand and help in each specific situation.

We already have cases when an entrepreneur fears that their small cozy cafe will close. They turned to us, and it turned out that the area of ​​service hall was simply incorrectly counted there. And they do not fall under the ban.

- Do you think that the bill will destroy the bar and gastronomic culture of the city?

- We read and saw a petition [restaurateurs]. Unfortunately, she somewhat surprised us: at least by the fact that its heading itself is “ there is no destruction of the bar and gastriculture of St. Petersburg! "Does not at all reflect the essence of our document. Our document is not about the destruction of gastriculture and bar culture.

In addition, many entrepreneurs who sign the petition admit that their establishments will not fall under the ban - but sign it as a sign of solidarity. The question suggests itself: how are entrepreneurs who continue to work after the adoption of the law sign a petition that this law destroys completely bar culture? It turns out inconsistent. Why this hype is incomprehensible.

In addition, I repeat, there are no constructive proposals to our address. We talked with representatives of the entrepreneurial community after the first reading, when we had an assessment of the regulatory impact, when we determined the final meter.

- Why exactly 50 square meters?

-50 squares are not some kind of invented figure. This is a figure that we discussed for a long time with entrepreneurs and hoped how many meters the room should occupy, so that it could normally place the tables in it so that everything was civilized. We discussed it with deputies of different factions, experts, plus took into account the experience of other regions.

Moreover, now, taking into account anti -icing restrictions, when the sanitary services are spelled out by the requirement of a social distance of one and a half meters, a figure of 50 squares, as experts say, is a rather correct and reasonable solution.

We are not doing so that we have adopted the law and closed this topic. We will definitely continue to monitor the situation, how much it is performed, how effectively it will work. We are always in touch. If there are sound offers from entrepreneurs, then we will definitely work on them.

- Do bars with an area of ​​more than 50 square meters bring less noise and discomfort?

- It depends on compliance with noise insulation requirements. The question of “navels” is that they do not comply with absolutely no requirements. And visitors, going outside, since there is little space inside, find themselves under the windows of people. And in large, large rooms - like restaurants - increased requirements of sound insulation. This is a more civilized type of business, they have more requirements, because the room itself is more.

- That is, you think that the larger the room, the more elbow it is?

“Not that is more eliminated.” The question is not in the meter or elite, but in the sense, as everything is equipped in itself. I will repeat once again: the federal legislator gave us only one indicator according to which we can cut off adverse establishments - the area of ​​the service hall. And we work in this tough framework.

- I’ll clarify: the bars that local residents do not complain about, but who have an area of ​​less than 50 square meters, will still have to close?

- You see, you will have to look here. The last edition of the bill directly says that if the service hall is less than 50 squares, then such an organization cannot sell alcohol.

We repeatedly called on entrepreneurs to name at least one point that had never received a single complaint. We were not called a single point. Moreover, we were interested in this issue among representatives of completely different business sectors. There are many words, but we did not give us specific situations and cases as an example.

Moreover, now a conditional bar, which no one is allegedly complains about and does not swear, is enough to simply exclude the sale of alcohol from their menu. He can replace it with the sale of tea. Nobody forbids to sell the sponsor, buns. Much depends on managerial skills.

- And how is the area of ​​the hall calculated? Many have questions for this. The bill is only the wording of the “visitors' service hall”.

- This is all individually calculated. Everything is completely described in the 171st Federal Law: “The area of ​​the visitors' service hall refers to the area of ​​specially equipped premises of the public catering facility designed to consume finished culinary products, confectionery and (or) purchased goods, determined on the basis of inventory and title documents.”

- To be honest, not completely understandable definition. For example, the space behind the bar is included in the service room?

- Depends on how it is decorated. It should be decorated in the diagram of the hall. It reflects what comes in and what is not.

- And if two halls of 25 or more square meters - is this considered a service area of ​​more than 50 square meters?

- Yes. The law refers to the total area of ​​the service hall.

- Is it possible in the future to change the necessary area of ​​service of visitors? Under what conditions will you increase or reduce the minimum bar in 50 square meters?

- Theoretically, this is possible, I do not exclude this. Everything will depend on the situation. We accept this footage and we will watch. All ideas from entrepreneurs by changing the footage - and I think they will certainly be - we will repeat, we will work out. After all, one of the main functions of the Legislative Assembly is lawmaking, the preparation of new ones and the adjustment of existing legislative acts. If we see that to improve the lives of people we need some amendments to the legislation, we necessarily introduce them and accept them.

If there are complaints about the “NAMA”, we will look at each case individually, pointwise, to attract law enforcement agencies, relevant departments of the city government, deputies.

Photo on the cover: Aglaya Zhuravleva