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"Volodya, I'm not the last dictator of Europe": the main thing from the interview of Lukashenko
A few days before the most intense elections of the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko gave a great interview in Ukrainian journalist Dmitry Gordon for his YouTube channel: about Volodya Putin, arrested mercenaries from Wagner PMCs and thousands of opposition rallies.
About Putin's differences from Yeltsin
“I remember this. Yeltsin was devoted to the country, the Union. He considered himself senior and was in accordance with the republics, believed that he should help them, support. And so in everything. And if Yeltsin said, the question with the same energy carriers was resolved immediately. Putin has a different system. He used to have a good feature-I even told him: "You know, Volodya, if you need to take something from you, you just need to get a promise from you." Previously, Putin never retreated from the promised - a good feature, especially for a military man. Now, in these six months, I see-one thing was told to us, then someone redid it, and everything is different. Putin promises, the government decides differently.
Yeltsin almost immediately lamented and regretted that he had chosen Putin’s successors. And Naina Iosifovna (Yeltsin.-The Bell), with whom we are still friends, even sometimes pulled me on the sleeve and asked to reassure Boris Nikolayevich, who, due to the actions of the new president, began to rage. "
About Putin's personality
“He became the venerable leader. When I met him for the first time as president, it was probably more a well -mannered KGB officer, in a good sense of the word. He did not argue, he didn’t climb onto the Rozhon, he listened to his point of view, and reserved the right to think. Now he does not have to think additionally. ”
“Putin is man. Peculiar, but man. But I do not like it one feature, although for a politician it is super. He does not trust anyone. He is secretive, much more closed than me.
But I sincerely consider Vladimir Vladimirovich my older brother. And by age and by weight, the older brother. But the behavior of the elder and younger brother - but I believe that the older brother should support the younger. I often say to Putin - the older brother should help, support, suggest, and not to substitute a footboard. It is somewhat different - urban. And I think, despite all the vicissitudes that Putin is my friend. Because I can tell him everything that I consider necessary, and he can tell me the same thing. Even in male form - it happened that they could mature. But we never had screams - I am cautious in this regard, and Putin simply does not have a habit of screaming. ”
About the future of Putin
“Putin will never be president until 2036. Never. I guarantee you one hundred percent. Everything, of course, depends on the situation, because it will not be better than now - and in such a situation all the problems will fall on Putin, on Lukashenko, to Gordon, if you are led the country. Because we are the first. So Putin will not hold on to power with his hands. He will find an option for people or a person who will continue the path he chose. ”
About Vladimir Zelensky
“Volodya is good. But I feel sorry for him. He, of course, hit the chickens in the och. Firstly, it is not for me to explain to you what he got from the country, and secondly, he is a person from another sphere. But they do not become presidents. Presidents are born. If you do not have a presidential rod by nature, if there is no special sourdough, then you will not be president. Yes, you will be on the TV and Dmitry Gordon will take your interview, but the real president is different. To be president means to feel their people, and the people should feel you. Ukraine needed a quick result when Volodya came to power. And he, there is no result. And I'm afraid there will be no more. He no longer has time. ”
About the accession of Crimea
“I know the details, and there everything was not as you imagine. Listen, if I had even tried to pick up a piece of land, thousands of people would instantly lay down there. Crimea is a pearl. And you (Ukrainians. - The Bell) did not fight. How is it possible? I would fight - this is your land, your people. They say there was nothing to defend Crimea. How is it - what, there were no pistols and machine guns? Was there no artillery in the Crimea?
(To the question of whether this means that it was necessary to shoot at the Russians) “What Russians? How do we know that these are Russians? These are people who came to seize the territory. Shooting is the last thing, but it was possible to detain people. With sticks, hand -to -hand, as you like - but delay. In addition, if the leadership took a tough position, there would be no shooting. Russians would never shoot in the Crimea. ”
On the detention of fighters of the PMC Wagner
“Now, we have a sharp period of these bandits, the Wagnerians were detained. On the eve of all, we have already received information. At first we detained one, then the other, there, there. We saw who they are connected with. We controlled them completely. We know with whom they called up, where they received the teams from, who gave these teams in Russia. We have already seen that it smells fried - that in the context of international relations that we will not let us live calmly. In a good way, Russia is simply afraid to lose us. I would also worry in the place of Putin - they have already lost Ukraine, God forbid Belarus. What will remain? Baltic states? Therefore, Russia is worried, but at the same time makes a mistake one after another. Why do you blow us, we are one people, in fact. No, someone needs to strangle us. ”
“That is why, when I see that such a situation is developing, I immediately visited the troops of all special forces. In Brest, the brigade is fully equipped, in Vitebsk, plundered [troops] are prepared. I already looked at whether our units are ready in case of which. But I’ll say right away - I will never start shooting first. ”
On the issuance of Wagnerians to Ukraine
“I didn’t have such a question. There are agreements, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia work with them. They must make sure that there is a clear picture. Nobody gives out anyone, so far nothing has been proved-that someone killed someone or shooting someone. But still it is disgusting - when such (intervention in the election) comes from relatives and friends. ”
On the United State of Russia and Belarus
“I would never agree to this. If even I agreed to unite on the most favorable conditions, in Belarus this would not be perceived. The people are not ready for this. Changed. It was necessary to do it 20 years ago, and now it's too late "
About IT business in Belarus
“The sector has approximately $ 2.5 billion of total income, and they pay only 8-9% to the budget. This is not much for the budget, rather, there is more benefit for the ITSHNIS themselves and the general colossal synergistic effect. We turned up the education, created a lot of new specialties. ”
About coronavirus
“We never denied coronavirus. This was so served in the media. How can you deny what is actually. And due to the fact that we were just neat and serious about coronavirus, it developed in our country later than other countries. I even know the name of those two who was the first to bring (virus. - The Bell). But I understood that the worst in any disease is brains. If you succumb to panic, you are a dead man. And when I see psychosis all over the planet, I do not want the same to be in Belarus. To just close everyone, widespread quarantine, and that’s all. We went a difficult way - as in the criminal case, when the contacts are first collected and the connections are established, then the investigation is conducted, and only then conclusions are drawn. So it is here.
When I myself fell ill, I was not up to panic, I was like a squirrel in a wheel. And the doctors had to pin me in four days. We are inclined to the fact that I have not become infected. He (coronavirus) was thrown to me. Now I’m starting to look for the moment where it happened. ”
On the attitude of the Kremlin to Lukashenko
“I would not say that Russia does not want Lukashenko to be president. I think they would like not to want. Because they do not know, while others will be better and more supplied than Lukashenko. But Lukashenko was definitely tired of the Russian leadership with his intransigence. ”
About the arrests of Babarico and Tsepkalo
“I’ll say a corny. The law is the same for everyone. If someone believes that I threw them [to jail]-we are open. We showed all foreigners the materials of what the Gazprom Bank did, how the campaign was financed (Babarico. - The Bell), how the bank employees paid premium to attract them as volunteers to collect the signature. Babarico is generally a huge number of questions. It’s just that if you want to somehow avoid criminal liability for crimes, you have to go to politics-then you are immediately political prisoner. And this is already a trend. But as soon as we submitted documents in the Babarico case - Interpol, Ukrainians, Poles, even Russians, and asked them to evaluate: the political prisoner of Babarico or not, the wave immediately subsided. Babarico and Tsepkolo are absolutely definitely related to Russia. There, a lot of money was pumped through Gazprom. And Gazprom did not even know what money there were laid on these campaigns. ”
About a single opposition candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya
“As for Tikhanovskaya ... You know, I know little about her. But I'm sorry for her. Because she was just there, in this cell, they shoved. People who are sitting in the headquarters of Babarico, Tskkutkalo and in her own shoved. And they say that she collects thousands of rallies. You were at her rally? No. But you, as a journalist, like no one understand that a picture can be made anyway, and as an angle often decides everything. Therefore, these rallies are only in the quotes of many thousands. It’s just that even for the picture we need tremendous money. And those who really go to rallies, they often do not understand. In addition, for our people, this is all in a new product. People just go to see, there are often some artists perform. ”
About yourself as the last dictator of Europe
“The last dictator of Europe was called me for a very long time, Madel Olbright, the then Secretary of State of the United States, gave me this click. Probably, I did not quite fit into the standards of Western democracy. Now they realized that there is some rational grain in Lukashenko’s policy, both the order and stability that exist in Belarus. ”
“They met with Putin, I told him:“ Volodya, I’m no longer the last dictator of Europe. ” And he to me: "Do you really hint to me what I am?"
About whether he runs from Belarus in the event of a revolution
“Lukashenko will never run anywhere, and my children will not run anywhere. Those who have pockets are full. I ran, well, even to China, God forbid, of course: another climate, another country. I’m not even talking about Moscow, there is nothing to do without money, but I have no money to escape and live there, like Yanukovych. ”
About who will win the election
“I can, of course, say. But why? "