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"Our boys." Social networks about the investigation of murders in Buch
A few days after a large investigation about the reasons for the Russian failures in the war with Ukraine, The New York Times released a new one: about the murders of civilians in Buch during its occupation by the Russian army. The investigation convincingly shows that the murders were committed by the military of the 234th regiment of the Pskov Division of the Airborne Forces with the knowledge of its commander.
When videos and photographs appeared in April in which the bodies of dozens of civilians were scattered along Buchi Street, Ukrainians and the rest of the world expressed horror and indignation. But in Russia, officials had a completely different reaction: denial.
President Vladimir V. Putin called the terrible scene the “provocation” and stated that the Russian army had nothing to do with it.
But the eight-month visual investigation of The New York Times came to the conclusion that the culprits of the massacre on Yablunskaya Street were Russian paratroopers from the 234th Airborne School Regiment under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Artem Gorodilov.
Evidence show that the murders were part of the deliberate and systematic efforts to ruthless support for the path to the capital of Kyiv. The soldiers interrogated and executed unarmed men of combat -ready age, and also killed those who involuntarily crossed the road - whether they were the children running away with their families, local residents in the hope of finding products or people who just tried to return home on bicycle
New York Times rolled out a new, especially detailed video investigation on Buch, focusing on the victims on the street. Yablun. [...]
They tracked the numbers by which Russian soldiers called their relatives to Russia, from the phones of civilians, who were shot a couple of hours before. They found the names of these soldiers and the regiment, to which they are attributed (234th Guards Airborne School). They used a video from the drones that Ukrainians launched, photographs made by local residents, radio interceptions. They found the intervals of the time in which specific people were killed on the street. Yablunskaya, talked about how this happened, in some cases showed the video, called the names of the victims. They found the documentation remaining after the departure of the Russians. They interviewed local residents. And more and more, and all this is reduced in half an hour with a video with cards, a designation of different houses and military vehicles in different angles, etc. etc. Huge work and very high -quality result.
One of the standard statements of the Russian Z-propaganda is that supposedly back in April the Western media were “convinced” that there was a “production” in Bucha, and therefore they have not written anything about it, “fell silent”. I lost the score of how many again some kind of zombie rolled out this statement as an important argument that there were no peaceful murders in Buch, or it is all the Ukrainian production, or at least "ambiguously who will understand." At the same time, at any moment, you can simply look for the word Bucha in Google in the News section and see the ongoing chain of articles and investigations in the central Western media about the buch, not every day, of course, but the topic has not gone anywhere and is not “merged”; But even such a simple exercise is not within the power of this zombie. This new investigation by New York Times blocks in terms of the scale of the work done and the number of evidence, all previous ones, perhaps.
Today I am under the impression of the published study of the New York Times (finally they took up their pacifist nonsense with something good) about the events in Bucha in March this year. Details and scrupulously, based on existing documents, billing calls, evidence of local residents, photo and video materials, radio interceptions and everything else, they restored the picture of what happened.
Moreover, they said in advance that this is only a small part of the whole picture and it concerns the events that happened only on Yablonskaya Street alone. This study reveals a picture of the murder of several dozen civilians. While about 400 people were killed in Buch. But even this is enough to be horrified by what happened there. [...]
These numerous killings were committed by paratroopers of the 234 regiments of the famous Pskov Division of the Airborne Forces. This is a proven fact that cannot be argued with. The specific names and surnames of the military who participated in these murders were established. Their photos are given.
The commander of this regiment is also identified, who repeatedly appears in the photo and videos, as well as in radio interceptions. This is Colonel Artem Gorodilov. He was perfectly aware that his subordinates were doing. And this did not stop this throughout all those few weeks during which his regiment was in Bucha. [...]
The boy on a bicycle is driving home potatoes. Boy. Drove potatoes. Killed. The woman was driving on a minibus. Killed. Sometimes they just went into the house and killed her husband in front of his wife. For what? Putin! AU! For what? Colonel Gorodilov! Why didn't you stop it? Did you think this is right?
New York Times journalists have collected irrefutable evidence of war crimes in Bucha committed by Russian paratroopers from the 234th landing and scenery regiment under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Artem Gorodilov. The soldiers interrogated and executed unarmed men, and also killed those who involuntarily crossed the road - whether they were children who run away with their families, local residents hoping to find products or people who were just trying to return home on bicycles.
Nyt reporters spent several months in Buch after the withdrawal of Russian troops, interviewing residents, collecting a huge number of video recording from video surveillance cameras and receiving exclusive entries from government sources. Later they analyzed the materials and reconstructed the killings on Yablonskaya Street, which the locals now call the “expensive death”, with an accuracy of up to a minute.
Some of the most exposing evidence of the involvement of the 234th regiment included records of telephone conversations and decrypted callsigns, which the commanders used on Russian radio channels. The names of those Russian military who killed unarmed inhabitants of Buchi were established.
Thousands and thousands of bastards will still say that this is all fakes or "not everything is unambiguous." I used to consider them blind victims of propaganda, but then it dawned on me that they were just bastards who themselves did not want to know the truth inconvenient for them. These bastards, pretending to be decent people in their own eyes, simply do not want to know anything about the facts that will tear their rightness and shreds.
They are not sacrifices, but simply stupid, stubborn in their innocence, bastards. Like all those “good Russians” who sympathize with “our boys” participating in this shameful aggressive war, justifying them and themselves.
During the viewing of the New York Times, which gathered evidence of the murders of civilians by Russian paratroopers in Buch, only one comforting thought comes to mind: most of the equipment that had fallen into the frame is already burned, and most of the executioners were killed.
New York Times published an investigation with the names of Russian killers in Bucha. For the most part, Russian names and surnames, everything, as Bulba loves. No Buryats and Chechens are noticed.
All names and surnames are known. They robbed phones and called Mother-luxury. Everyone will bear the punishment, at the same time with a society that gave this scum and pours crocodile tears about "our boys."
Paying for this animal generation Chikatil is also generations. It is better to give out war criminals - then you can bargain some discounts on sanctions.
Well, if you cling to them, they will put the desks of the heroes in local schools, then the whole country will then be poured into hell and further. The next war will be less technological and flow somewhere in the bowels of the "Russian Federation".
The militaristic USSR, which had never criticized his war crimes, ended with the fact that he began to fight on his own borders, would not be different with the "Russian Federation". If the norms are unreasonable for society, then society devours itself.
The publication scattered the latest doubts that the war crimes committed in Ukraine were not to blame.
The New York Times established the names involved in the murders in Buch and published the results of an 8 -month investigation
Do you remember how it was discussed on Twitter?
How some were torn to pieces:
- These are the Buryats, they are Dostoevsky
Didn't read it!
But no
-Do Buryats!
"Our
Boys "
I look at the names of the executioner in Buch and some of them are Russian, not the Buryat, and the faces of the title nation too. And remember, as good Russians, they picked up all sorts of stuffing, that the most inhuman people in the war are the peoples of the imperial outskirts? pic.twitter.com/t7vvnsz15z
- Sasha Konovalov (@sknvlv) December 24, 2022
He specially carried both sides of the war on all networks, most likely invented by the Russians, the narrative about the involvement of the Buryats and the Yakuts. It’s good that they conducted such an investigation. Now everyone will know who is killers and criminals in Buch and generally in the war in Ukraine. And then even the Pope managed to mention the Buryatov.
The investigation again raises the question of the "banality of evil." How did it happen that ordinary ones like "boys" show such cruelty?
Today I read the last material of The New York Times about Buch: the circumstances of the murders of 36 people-by the Russian military, most likely the paratroopers of the 234th regiment. In the middle, my neck intercepted from spasm. The very beginning of the war, how they managed to brutage so - still does not fit
I look at these murders, at the fixed executions, at the blockage of cyclists with a shot from the tank, and try to understand: how is it, b ... perhaps?!?! People are not born killers. They become them. They became killers, walking along the same streets, listening to the same songs, watching the same films, coming to the same rock and festivals ..
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"Normal guys seemed to be." And they turned into killers ...
The Pope Francis assured his flock of the fact that the Buryats committed the atrocities in Buch. His argument was simple: he said that it is impossible to imagine that Christians could do this. Forced to disappoint him. These were the overwhelming majority - young Russian guys. Here are exactly those that we meet on the streets of Russian cities. Samara, Penza, Krasnodar ... and even Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Not Chechens, not Dagestanis, not Tajik contractors. And not Martians. These were Russian soldiers. Who went to free the “brothers”. And they killed sixty -year -old cyclists. Forty -year -old women. Fifteen -year -old teenagers.
The boy on a bicycle is driving home potatoes. Boy. Drove potatoes. Killed. The woman was driving on a minibus. Killed. Sometimes they just went into the house and killed her husband in front of his wife. For what? Putin! AU! For what? Colonel Gorodilov! Why didn't you stop it? Did you think this is right?
OK. I am not a very high opinion of humanity. And he is ready to forgive him a lot. At the tenth month of the war, in bitterness and on the verge of insanity from the death of comrades or family members, some kind of military man who was dumbfounded from a long battle can break and shoot the prisoner. I do not justify this, but at least I understand the motives.
But only on the tenth day of the war, military personnel of the regiment, who was not even really in battle, on their own initiative, just so, kill even enemy prisoners, but ordinary civilians? Can someone explain to me - why? What is the goal? How did they explain it to themselves?
I already don't care about Putin or Peskov. These characters will be denied and twisted to the last. Their explanations do not cause the slightest interest. I want to hear not their stories that these are all fakes and slander, especially since the facts given are murderous and it is pointless to deny them. I really want to understand how this is possible? What moved these Pskov paratroopers? What did they think when they killed just like that, reveling in their impunity? After all, a person will not do something without any purpose, right?
These people did not threaten them in any way. They did not pose any danger to them. I find no other explanation except that the murders gave these soldiers pleasure. No, well, seriously: why else it was necessary to kill a boy who carried half a laundry of potatoes? I see no other reasons.
When I studied at school, we had such a local bully, he had a nickname - a mosquito. It was such a small shket, completely finished. Nobody even wanted to go with him. He could run to the pig and fuck it, Gogocha. It’s just really to take off your pants - and fuck. He was crazy.
By the seventh class, he was already all in tattoos, smoked like a steam locomotive and drank moonshine. He always dragged a dangerous razor with him and just - took out his “sink” and threatened it. The police waved his hand at him, he fled from the house for a long time and lived in the attics, and by the ninth grade he was found dead on the shore of the river: an overdose of some kind of self-corn marathot.
So: he tormented homeless cats. He hung them, cut them alive into pieces, pulled the skin from them. And he frankly admitted that it gives him pleasure. Without exception, all boys in the district considered him an idiot and shunned him. Even the most burned and prone to crime.
This was still the only person in my life to whom the murder was pleasure. And now - these guards -prisoners. Order of Kutuzov of the 3rd degree of the 234th Guards Airborne Assault Regiment named after Alexander Nevsky.
If this is a personnel elite of the army, then this is not an army, but a madhouse. And they command the same psychos as these paratroopers. That is, this is a psychiatric hospital in which there are no doctors, but they refuel the same psycho as the rest of the contingent. No wonder Putin has more and more erysipelas like Chikatilo looks like. Still, how not to twist, but there is something in such a science as physiognomy ...
No, as you want, but my hands just drop. That's just not a single clue. This is an absolutely hopeless case. Lord, burn! People! Run from there! Just where the eyes look! Without turning around! In order not to turn into a salt pillar.
Sergei Shelin writes that the fault of this is violence in the army itself.
.. oh, whether to sympathize with “their” soldiers, the German antinacial emigrants argued. And in the majority one way or another spared them. Bertolt Brecht in verses written in 1942 in California, imagined himself among soldiers who die in Russian snow. But it would not occur to him to write “Our Wehrmacht”. And this did not become a problem for him, because he had an alternative with which he could identify himself. Each of the German exiles in general terms represented from what intellectual and institutional units would like to build a new Germany on the site of Nazi order.
And from what to build free and incontinent Russia, when and if the current regime is not? What national values can those who deny Putin’s regime be appeal to, what is useful from the reserves available in the country? The answer is bad: literally nothing comes in handy ...
Let's start with our army. According to the pre -war survey, it is the army that is the most respected institution in Russia (the share of trusting - 61%).
The evolution of this institution in something suitable for service to the country and subordinate to the civil regime is completely unimaginable.
The Soviet and Russian armed forces are an army in which, under Stalin, Marshals beat the generals for official omissions, and in which some categories of ordinary people are still subjected to mandatory and constant ritual humiliations from other categories of ordinary ordinary people. Popular in the army of recitation on “officer honor” are the discussions of people who have no idea about any ethics other than mafia.
Violence in the occupied territories of Ukraine is an organic product of this military way. It does not need orders from above and occurs naturally. There are almost no mechanisms that prevent him ...
The ideas about personal responsibility in this environment are found only by exception. But ordinary is the indignation of the stupidity of military superiors, a poor equipment and inability to protect soldiers. While this anger does not get out of control, it works just to strengthen the "our army." And in critical situations, apparently, he is even able to get out of the shores and destroy it along with the state machine. But can it hardly help create an alternative order ...
Mikhail Yezhov believes that the reason is impunity.
"I am trembling creature or have the right"
Since now, after the investigation of The New York Times on the crimes of the Russian army in the city of Buch, a new wave of discussion has risen, I want to share something.
The main justification for the data of war crimes emanating from the estates is a very interesting statement - why is the United States possible?
This excuse in itself speaks of the complete infantilism of the screenshots, because all this is terribly looks like the behavior of a child who justifies in tears, gets out of itself the last argument - why is it possible, but I can’t?
So.
In order not to tire you very much with volumetric text, I will give only a few of the many examples:
• In March 2006, five American troops in the Iraqi city of Mahmudia raped a 14-year-old girl and killed her and her whole family. В 2007 году военный трибунал на территории США приговорил трех преступников к срокам от 90 до 110 лет, еще один соучастник, стоявший на страже, получил 27 месяцев тюрьмы. Организатор убийства Стивен Дейл Грин в 2009 году был приговорен к пяти пожизненным срокам, в 2014 году он повесился.
• В 2012 году старший лейтенант Клинт Лоранс открыл огонь по мотоциклу с тремя афганцами, который, по его мнению, слишком быстро приближался к взводу. Этих людей офицер расценил как угрозу для жизней солдат. Лоранса осудили в США на 19 лет, шесть из которых он провел в тюрьме. В 2019 году он был помилован Трампом.
• В марте 2012 года сержант армии США Роберт Бейлс расстрелял 16 мирных граждан в афганской провинции Кандагар. По его словам, он ничего не помнил о случившемся, но признал себя виновным и пошел на сделку со следствием, чтобы избежать смертной казни. В августе 2013 года суд на военной базе в штате Вашингтон приговорил его к пожизненному заключению без права освобождения.
• В ноябре 2011 года сержант морской пехоты Великобритании Александр Блэкмен добил выстрелом в упор раненного афганского талиба в провинции Гильменд. В декабре 2013 года Высокий суд Лондона приговорил его к пожизненному заключению. Еще двое британских военнослужащих, присутствовавших при инциденте и не остановивших сослуживца, были оправданы судом.
О чем это говорит, дорогие мои оправдатели военных преступлений? Лишь о том, что никому нельзя их совершать. И к счастью, в США и Великобритании есть правосудие, которое сурово относится к собственным гражданам в случае, если они такие преступления совершили.
Теперь вернемся к нашим баранам. После преступлений совершенных в Буче не было ни то, что наказаний за них, не было инициировано даже маломальского расследования, тем же военным трибуналом, который в Роzzии все-таки есть. Больше скажу. Командир части 234 был даже награжден, как и вся военная часть, а роzzийские власти, как и пропагандисты, решили просто откреститься от этих преступлений назвав их фейками.
Так же, Государственная дума приняла в первом чтении законопроект, снимающий уголовную ответственность за преступления, совершённые на оккупированных территориях Украины в том случае, если они были совершены ради "защиты интересов России". What kind of criminal offenses should be interpreted as committed in the interests of Russia, the documents are not indicated.
Очевидно, что этот закон будет окончательно принят, и это развяжет руки очень многим в роzzийской армии. Хотя, судя по тому, что в Роzzии не было еще ни одного суда по военным преступлениям совершенным в Украине, можно считать, что у военных преступников руки и до этого были не слишком связаны.
Вот поэтому, дорогие мои поцриоты вам нельзя. Вы не готовы судить сами собственных военных преступников, как это делают США, Великобритания и другие развитые страны. Роzzия как страна еще жутко недоразвита. Я уже не говорю, что по роzzийским тюрьмам разъезжает какой-то мутный тип и вербует на войну заключенных, отправленных в эти тюрьмы ни много ни мало роzzийским судом. Это говорит о том, что в Роzzии просто нет правосудия. Оно и раньше не отличалось своей непредвзятостью, теперь же его больше нет. Вот поэтому вам нельзя. Ваське можно, а вам нельзя. Васька хоть следит за своими действиями, вы же вообще берега попутали, соррян.
Ну а судить этих военных преступников все-таки будут. Раз вы сами не готовы это делать, то этим займется международное правосудие. И поверьте мне, никто не уйдет от наказания.
То, что безнаказанность когда-нибудь закончится, и факты из расследования будут использованы в суде, надеются многие.
Тщательное документальное расследование New Your Times преступлений российских военных в Буче. На одной улице. Со съёмками камер слежения, дронов, с записями переговоров по рации, с обозначением подразделения и имени преступников. Это будут использовать суды и трибуналы.
В следующий 10 пакет санкций против России должны быть включены полковник А.Городилов командир 234 полка и поименно те его солдаты и офицеры которые были идентифицированны за соверщенные преступления в Буче.
А так же пилоты стратегической авиациии и командиры кораблей с которых производятмя пуски крылатых и балистических ракет по Украине.
А уже после, Международный трибунал даст по каждому из них свой вередикт и офицеру и солдат.
И политику, и чиновнику, и военному, и бизнесмену, и пропагандисту. Всем кто отмечен в санкционных пакетах.
Выдающееся расследование случившегося в Буче от The New York Times. видео с камер, переговоры по рации, звонки с телефонов убитых украинцев. теперь известны имена и звания тех, кто убивал мирных жителей и пленных. ссылка в комментарии
так и вижу, как эти бравые десантники на суде будут блеять, что они выполняли приказ. а те, кто поумнее, будут блеять про коллективную вину. ну вот им пока для вечернего чтения стенограмма суда над Адольфом Эйхманом (только я против смертной казни):
Даже если бы восемьдесят миллионов немцев сделали то, что сделали вы, это не извиняло бы вас.
К счастью, нам не надо заходить так далеко. Вы сами возложили не факт, а только возможность равной вины на часть тех, кто жил в государстве, главной политической целью которого было совершение неслыханных преступлений. И неважно, какая цепочка случайностей внешнего или внутреннего характера привела вас на путь, который сделал вас преступником, существует пропасть между реальностью того, что сделали вы, и вероятностью того, что могли бы сделать другие.
Мы здесь рассматриваем лишь то, что сделали вы, нас не интересует, возможно, непреступный характер вашего внутреннего мира и ваших мотивов или преступных наклонностей тех, кто вас окружал. Вы рассказали вашу историю с точки зрения неудачника, и, зная детали, мы готовы допустить, что при более благоприятном стечении обстоятельств маловероятно, что вы когда-либо предстали бы перед нами или перед каким-нибудь другим уголовным судом.
Давайте дискуссии ради предположим, что неудачное стечение обстоятельств, и ничто иное, сделало вас добровольным орудием организации массовых убийств; мы по-прежнему оказываемся перед фактом того, что вы проводили — а следовательно активно поддерживали — политику массовых убийств. Но политика — это не детский сад, в политике исполнительность и поддержка это одно и то же.
А так как вы поддерживали и проводили политику нежелания жить на одной земле с еврейским народом и целым рядом других народов — как будто вы и ваши начальники имели какое-то право определять, кто должен, а кто не должен населять землю, — мы находим, что никто, то есть ни один представитель рода человеческого, не желает жить на одной земле с вами. Единственно по этой причине вас и следует повесить.
NYTimes публикует подробнейшее, с видео и логами телефонных разговоров, расследование преступлений, совершенных российскими военными в Буче. Не только на командира 234-й бригады Артёма Городилова, но на десятки отдельных десантников собраны доказательства, которые годятся для любого суда.
Эти кадры и документы будут использоваться и на будущих судах Путина, Шойгу, Герасимова или просто навсегда останутся в их биографиях. Также как останутся в биографиях "дипломатов" Лаврова, Антонова, Ульянова, Небензи и т.п., которые врали, что этих преступлений не было.
Видео, свидетельства, имена, фамилии, названия. 234-й полк ВДВ, полковник Артем Городилов. 36 убитых гражданских — случайные велосипедисты на улице, молодые мужчины, расстрелянные во дворе. (В частности, подробно восстановлены обстоятельства убийства Ирины Филькиной.) В общем, это уровень доказательной базы для суда. Хочется верить, что этот суд состоится.