"You need to go to the hospital, where our boys are castrated." Educational conversation with a 17 -year -old athlete from Nizhny Novgorod, who went to an anti -war picket

On February 24, the 17-year-old reservist of the Russian youth team in ski jumping, Denis Bushuev from Nizhny Novgorod, went outside with the poster “No War. There is no madness. " He was fined 50 thousand rubles. But the misadventures of the young athlete did not end there: four days later he was called to the Nizhny Novgorod Regional School of the Olympic Reserve. Mediazona with minor reductions publishes a record of a “preventive conversation”, most participants of which Denis, in his own words, did not even know.

The first employee of the school. How to get into my head, you don't know ...

Denis Bushuev. Why climb?

The first employee. Well, to predict your thoughts, your actions.

Bushuev. Why predict?

The first employee. Well, like this, we, adults, should know what you think, to direct in the right direction. Of course, it’s good that you have your own opinion on everything. A person who goes straight, always, always, always ...

The second employee (interrupts the first). Not always. Because most often this is erroneous. There is not enough life [experience].

The first employee. No, if everyone thought the same, we would not have great discoveries. We always have progress. We progress on the buoy. But sometimes it is necessary-either to postpone, or think before doing something.

The second employee. This is first of all necessary - to think a few steps forward, which will happen later.

The first employee. About the consequences in the first place ...

Women are distracted by discussion of Shrovetide pancakes and students who do not take out garbage. They are joined by several more votes, including the coach of Denis Bushuev, a psychologist and “curator”. The athlete told Mediazone that most of these people did not know.

The audience explains to him that the school “information” from the administration of the Soviet district - Bushuev was registered with the commission on minors. Now he will have to put him “on internal accounting” in the school, “so that you are in control, to carry out preventive work”, but this will not affect the “personal card”, but a year later, if the young man is formed, he will be removed from internal accounting.

Third employee. You just did ... Is this your opinion, as I understand it? Tell us.

Bushuev. Well, I had some kind of opinion. I decided to go out with him, because if I can tell my friends about him, some of my loved ones, why can I also declare him to people if I do not see anything unlawful in him? He went out with the poster: “There is no war. There is no madness. "

The first employee. There is an opinion that this, as it were, is not your urge, but what a money was paid to you for this, that it was all bought. How will you answer this?

Bushuev. For some reason, everyone is considering options, everyone is trying to find what is not there. And no one paid me. Nobody forced me. This is just my choice. This is not some impulsive act that I came up with today, went out tomorrow. And I really weighed, it’s worth it - it’s not worth it, and I did not find the reasons why I should be silent.

The first employee. Somewhere you read the information about what is going on ... I understand that this is for your actions in Ukraine? That's right, right? Somewhere you drew this information, sat or used it on some social networks ... I don’t know, the films are sent a lot from the scene now ...

Bushuev. I read independent media.

Third employee. Where can I find independent media in which you can read the information?

Bushuev. The Rain TV channel, Medusa, Mediazona, BBC.

Third employee. Ah, have they become independent?

Bushuev. At least I did not hear them depending on someone.

The fourth employee. Are you sure that they say only the truth, truthful information? You have not read other sources, did not compare the information?

Bushuev. They have not yet been caught on some lies, on the distortion of facts.

The second employee. These are someone close or some friends [prompted you such sources of information], maybe in Ukraine?

Bushuev. I have friends in Ukraine, friends, relatives live there. And in general, my country is conducting a military operation. If I spent, there, some America, I would, of course, have no difference to me, because I do not live in this country, I can’t live there.

Several female voices, interrupting each other, ask the young man how he relates to the danger of “hits in Russia” and “mercenaries from America”, who, according to their information, are fighting for Ukraine.

Third employee. You, as it were, can you talk with our history teachers. It is quite normal that you heard some kind of information. We have people from Donbass, yes, who lived, refugees from there. They live now, and one of them generally works as a teacher. She was specifically there. She saw what we did not see. She says: I would love to tell and show how it was before the entrance, before the invasion, before the start of this operation. That is, we don’t know much, but they lived there. She had a husband and daughter left there.

The fourth employee. And she said: I would be happy to put this boy in this basement, where we have been sitting since 2014. And when you are not considered a person, simply because you speak Russian. And they shoot and bomb. This boy would sit at the same time with those children, would look at the Angels alley when the children died under bombing ...

Fifth employee. I just want to ask an opinion. When our president introduced a military operation there, he began this, with Donbass, everyone said: “Where were you even earlier? It was necessary to start all this before. ” Here is your opinion, since they are so-the people who were sitting in these in the basements-they asked to be delayed even earlier ... They just delayed it to the last, and now there was no war as such. Do not call her like that. Here's your opinion, what's wrong? Why did you go out? Why do you think it is?

The fourth employee. Why didn’t you think so in 2014, namely now?

Bushuev. In 2014, I was fewer than now.

The fourth employee. That is, then you did not understand? What is Moskalyaku on Gillyak, that I want to eat sausage "Death to Muscovites"? Moskalyaku on Gillyak! What do I want to eat sausage, which is called “death of the Muscovites”, because I, cutting off the sausage, as if I cut off the borses to our Muscovites? The fact that the children of the Russians must be killed so that they do not breed, because these are cockroaches. You didn't look, didn’t hear it?!

The first employee. Do you think that, lies or how, your opinion, Denis?

The fourth employee. This is open information. This is the real information that people who live there, who also powder the brains in Ukraine. We do not say that everything is bad there, but there is such information. Who does not jump, that Moskal must be killed.

The first employee. My friends just live there very good ones, for example. Friends since childhood. And we talked very well and always went to visit each other. And now Kostya wrote right now and says that do not write anymore. It is very dangerous to me. We are not allowed.

The second employee. Because the regime is fascist. You look at what torque processions are there, what are the ideas of fascism.

Women are trying to explain to Denis that, before drawing conclusions, it is necessary to compare information from different sources.

Third employee. For example, I watch the information at the source independent, yes. Ukrainian Jew who lives in Israel. He lived in the Union, he lived in Ukraine, he was born in Lviv, he is an analyst, he lives in another country. Neither we nor Ukraine nobody. Let me let you read it. Here he is independent. That is, he has accommodation in Ukraine, in our country. Yes, he doesn’t scold those there or praises these, but right in fact. And he does not look, what he laid out there in social networks. And he is a person who knows how to analyze data without any assessments. So read what they write there. This is an independent source, you know.

The fourth employee. I think that [Denis] must go to the hospital, where our boys are castrated.

Trainer. Can I say too? Here we have a springboard participate in his, I told you about this, three people. Two of them have already been injured twice. Two of them are fighting on Bakhmut, on the front line. They came here to us, to the springboard, told everything that was happening there. God forbid, you will get me to reduce you with them, and they will tell you everything in the colors, how cool everything happens there. And because of what you do, this is what you do, people like you ... You don’t understand, however, you don’t understand, people are dying there. And you are fools, fools are simple. Here you are advertising this here, here you can really drag you there, show us, what is happening. So that you understand where it is better to live.

Employees of the school vying vying that they are also “against the war” and understand: this is “madness”. But there are nuances.

Fifth employee. We have never been invaders. On history, it is precisely the story to study. We defend, we protect, understand? We do not capture, we do not need it. And you are aware that both Poland and Germany at one time have taken all? We all entered there. We left there, all with history, we left, we divided Germany in half, then it was still divided. We removed our troops from there, and the Americans stayed there, and this is our mainland, and we can not do anything.

The first employee. I have such a question for you. Look, ours on the 24th began a special operation. That's how you think that if they did not start the operation, what would it be, Denis? Since you read everything well in this matter, I figured it out, that policy, our policy. What do you think it was? Explain, maybe you have a different opinion? We believe that there would be an attack on us. Here are the majority.

Third employee. We already have the experience of 1941, when there was information that they would attack us. But we said: no, it cannot be. And the war could go differently if we were on time, right?

The first employee. So you think what would it be? What is the development of events further?

Bushuev. I am already interested in listening to you.

Women say that Ukraine has been preparing for an attack on Russia for eight years, this is allegedly confirmed by documents, "which is already in the public domain." If this happened, the war would go in Russia.

The second employee. And such [anti -war] shares are beneficial to those who are behind the ocean. Yes, yes, let's shake, and the more, the better! Let us other, still young people, younger we stir up your heads !!!

Third employee. Listen, good. Well, true, read someone else, read the story. Fine. Tell me, please, you did it, what did it give you? What do you feel about this? What did you personally want to get from this, from the action?

Bushuev. Well, if I had the belief that I was completely right, then ...

Third employee. That is, you wanted to show the whole city your point of view?

The fourth employee. Attract?

Bushuev. I did not want to attract anyone. I wanted to prove to myself that I can express my opinion.

Third employee. Prove what?

Bushuev. What if I'm right, I can go out.

Third employee. Well, you went out, do you feel more right?

Bushuev . Then it seemed to me that I was always right.

Women ask the athlete if he knew about the possible consequences of his action. He says that single pickets do not require approval by the law.

The second employee. Well, another comrade stood up next to you, said: "Oh, I also agree." Maybe somewhere was lucky that no one stood next to you. And someone else the second, third, fifth would have stood up, and you would not have a single picket.

The first employee. How did people react to you?

Bushuev. Supported.

The second employee. Supported?

The first employee. Well, what is it, he did not write anything bad. “There is no war. There is no madness. " In principle, yes.

The fourth employee. There is another question, what a subtext. For Russia or for Ukraine?

The first employee. So? Did you ask for this? The final goal of your here is, I don’t understand in any way? I also disagree with what is happening. To whom did you dedicate this to see America?

Women suddenly wonder about Denis's loads: does he have enough training, since there were strength for a single picket? They admit that Bushuev is one of the best athletes of the region, studies for fives and four. The coach confirms that Denis is a really good athlete.

The first employee. I want to understand, he went out because he is against the war and he was for all this to stop, peaceful negotiations. I would like to, yes. And we don’t know, maybe we are telling you something here, and you to yourself: “Yes, Ukraine! Glory to Ukraine !!! ”

The second employee. Once again I say, even this stupidity, it will be regarded by others completely differently. We will not say to everyone, we will not explain that he thought what his motivation was. And against this background, others can come out in the same way, only with other goals.

Women argue about Denis’s motives, and then move on to the discussion of the independent media he mentioned, calling them “forbidden”.

The fourth employee. They are prohibited in Russia because they carry information that is beneficial for them.

The second employee. These are propagandists.

Fifth employee. These are all paid. Have you changed your mind or is it the same? But still, now say: “There is no war. There is no madness ”-after all, it was against Russia?

Bushuev. I do not oppose Russia or against Ukraine. Why is it necessary to divide on the other side or that side?

Women sew at the athlete, demanding that he explain the meaning of his action. Bushuev reluctantly replies: "The ceasefire from both sides."

Fifth employee. We are sitting here now, because it is necessary to conduct your signature that you and I at least conduct a conversation that we registered you. Why did we make you bad? And now, then some other little thing will go, look at you: Oh, we had an athlete there, Bushuev, we will go too! And they will still go, they will write something else. And what should we do now? Have you thought about it? You are an adult.

The first employee. Now we have a school checking will be one after another. Why? We are not doing educational work poorly!

Editor: Dmitry Tkachev