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Putin, Ramzan and Buryatia
Why did Vladimir Putin need to present Ramzan Kadyrov to the public, inviting him to the Kremlin? Was the Buryat workers to be imbued with a lecture on the international situation, read by him by the president directly at the factory? And who was there more - workers or guards? On the air, politician Gennady Gudkov , human rights activist Abubakar Yangulbaev , public figure Dorjo Dugarov .
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Elena Rykovtseva: Vladimir Putin made Russians at once with two events with his participation: yesterday he met with Ramzan Kadyrov, today he gave a lecture on the international situation of the worker of the Buryat plant. But we will begin from yesterday, although, of course, when you see meetings in the Kremlin, the word "yesterday" acquires absolutely conditional in nature, because such meetings are usually called "canned goods", they are recorded in order to show that Vladimir Putin is at work, although he may not be at work on this day, in Switzerland, as it was in 2015, or somewhere else. This time everything was different: there is a meeting in the Kremlin, but not for Putin, but for Ramzan Kadyrov, to show what he is, he is with you now. And all these rumors that we will now viciously broadcast, nonsense in lean oil.
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0:00 0:04:36 Elena Rykovtseva: Gennady Gudkov is in touch with us. I want to share the version of Alexei Anthilovich, who said: pay attention, he goes to be treated, no matter what this disease is caused, to the Arab emirates, he calls the doctor from Abu Dhabi, he prefers their medicine. Here is his version why: because he doesn’t trust, he used to trust Russian doctors, flew to Moscow, and now he does not trust Moscow, because there can be hunted by exactly the same FSB or GRU employees, all to whom he did not digest him. Does this version seem close to the truth that he prefers the medicine of the Arab Emirates for the reason that he does not trust Moscow?
Gennady Gudkov: Ramzan Kadyrov does not trust anyone at all. First of all, he does not trust the Chechens, because in Chechnya he has a huge number of bloodshes - I know this firsthand. A huge number of his haters live in Chechnya, and they say: as soon as he weakens, they themselves will deal with him and reduce scores. Therefore, he does not trust Chechnya, does not trust Moscow, in which he also has a lot of enemies. In Abu Dhabi he has a lot of real estate, a lot of capital, a lot of things he took there, for him this is a backup site, if anything, he runs there. In my opinion, he ran there when there was the murder of Boris Nemtsov, it was not clear what would happen, how far this investigation would go. I heard the version that he was sitting there for a couple of weeks, waited when some progress would occur in the Kremlin. Yes, you are right, he does not trust anyone, he perfectly understands that there are more than enough people who want to reduce accounts with him.
Kadyrov does not trust anyone at all, understanding perfectly well that there are more than enough people who want to take scores with him
Elena Rykovtseva: Do you admit that this attempt to poison has already occurred, that all his appearance, all these puffy, swelling, severe speech, loss for some time are connected not just with the disease that suddenly defeated this rather young man?
Gennady Gudkov: It's hard to say. This version cannot be excluded, but to believe that it is realistic - for this we have no information, we can only assume. Of course, the security forces hate him, they always hated him, and now this hatred, apparently, is especially manifested. He always had bad speech, with his abilities and intelligence, he is also not very good, he reads a piece of paper, reads words that he does not know, about finances, about the budget, about state programs, about their implementation, and so on, all this is difficult for him. As for other abilities, they are expressed in bright form - this is the ability to clearly feel the conjuncture at court. It has these abilities to a much greater extent than many other courtiers.
I would suggest that he simply drew under the snag and sits out there, because the situation changed in the Kremlin, the power changed, Putin largely transferred power to the generals of the General Staff, because he realized that only Prigozhin, and even more so Kadirov , could not win. The campaign for the persecution of the generals, who was unleashed and in which Kadyrov, Girkin, Prigozhin actively took part, resulted in the fact that the generals won for a while (we do not know what would happen next) and began to avenge Putin through Prigozhin. They probably wanted Kadyrov, but Putin found that Kadyrov could not be given to the generals to eat, he accepted his son, showed everyone that he still supports Kadyrov, but then Kadyrov himself, when he understood that he could appear in the Kremlin, his head would not be removed there.
Kadyrov has always been bad with the speech, with abilities and intelligence, it is also not very good
Kadyrov, he is cunning, he sent a signal to the Kremlin that, if you deal with me, I will leave the civil service and I will create a private army, then look for me in another country, I will separate Chechnya from Russia and see who will hold the Caucasus there. All this was considered in the Kremlin, the indulgence of Kadyrov at a particular level was developed, there was some kind of agreement that they would not wet it. He swore allegiance to the generals, several times called them real heroes, strategists and thinkers, it seems to be an apology for his liberties. I am considering the situation as a court intrigue that continues to this day.
Elena Rykovtseva: We do not know if there was poisoning, but we can definitely assume that he is afraid of this poisoning.
Gennady Gudkov: He is afraid of everything - both poisoning and attempts.
Elena Rykovtseva: We can accurately assume that he is afraid of the attempt specifically from Russian special services, structures. What problems would they solve if they removed it? Moreover, they are devoted to Vladimir Putin, and they see that Putin needs him so far.
Everyone is unhappy, but tolerate, because Kadyrov holds the Caucasus to Putin
Gennady Gudkov: In addition to revenge, they would not have received anything - I think they understand it. Vladimir Putin (I heard this many times from his courtiers or from the court courtiers), when they go to Cadyrov, he sends them all the time and says: you know, guys, Kadirov holds me the Caucasus, and you ride as a cheese in oil due to my goodwill; Tolerate, it's okay. Kadyrov received for many of his sins in all commerce, cuts, kickbacks, which only not, he considers Chechnya his territory, and not only Chechnya. I do not know a single commercial case in Moscow, some conflict in which Kadyrov would participate, where the amount of the fee was less than $ 25-50 million. Therefore, of course, he crossed the road a lot. All, of course, are unhappy with this, but tolerate, because Kadyrov holds the Caucasus to Putin.
Elena Rykovtseva: We will now see a survey of Muscovites: how they see the political future of Ramzan Kadyrov.
Elena Rykovtseva: with us Abubakar Yangulbaev , human rights activist from Chechnya. Do you share such a definition as a "shah from a fairy tale"?
Kadyrov played into palace games, especially since the beginning of the war, he believed too much
Abubakar Yangulbaev: I have planned a small fairy tale based on Chechnya, there is a certain antihero, whose name is the chef Shakal. In Chechnya, a wolf is a symbolic animal, and a jackal is an opponent of this animal. It so happened that Kadyrov has his own inner nickname among his own, he is constantly called the chef. Shakal chef is such a name for Kadyrov, it seems to me more suitable.
Elena Rykovtseva: So our Moscow passerby announced your fairy tale. Do you admit that his appearance, his behavior, his disappearance is really connected with the fact that this is not just a kidney disease?
Abubakar Yangulbaev: Honestly, I do not agree with the version that he was poisoned. If you poisoned, who? Special services, or something, Russian authorities? If it were necessary, then he would be killed, as happened with his father, no one would interfere with this. Nobody dares to lead some internal palace coups, games against the will of the main king, because then he will have to answer. I believe that this is more connected with his excitement, with his stress. There is a war, people die, his position does not become better, he loses property, more and more falls under sanctions: I think economic problems affected him. All this together presses, plus still age, plus still an abnormal lifestyle, a person does not like to observe a diet - this is also visible from him. They spoke about the diseases that he had since childhood, and in conjunction all this eventually creates such a state.
Elena Rykovtseva: Do you agree that nevertheless, in addition to other troubles you listed, which fell on his unfortunate head, he also has a fear that this could happen? It is because of this, maybe he asks for an audience from Vladimir Putin to get at least some insurance in this world staggering for him?
Abubakar Yangulbaev: That's right, I have no doubt. Moreover, he began to play in palace games, especially from the moment of the beginning of the war, he believed in himself too much, Putin flooded him too much confidence in him, hoping that his nearby units, precisely the Russian Guard, could affect the course of the war, help Putin. As a result, it turned out to be completely wrong. In addition, in order to remove the ticktok-video, Kadyrov cannot offer any successes. Now, even in this video, when he reads and says about his “We carry out all your tasks,” no, they don’t do it. The task was originally to take Kyiv, they promised, they swore that they would take Kyiv, but nothing of the kind happened, on the contrary, they retreat and retreat. He constantly said that Putin, our president, commander in chief, asked us such and such tasks, and we fulfill them. He sits in front of him, says this in the face, and Putin looks at him and thinks: what a fool you are!
Elena Rykovtseva: When I looked at this scene, I had about the same thoughts: what is Putin thinking about now, listening to this strange certificate that he is read out? You told us what he was thinking about, answered my question. I understand that you are not a military expert, nevertheless there are estimates of other experts, that there was less use on the battlefield from those who serve under the leadership of Ramzan Kadyrov, from the natives of Chechnya, who went under banners to fight with Ukraine. This may be due to their military spirit, with the fact that they have lost the ability to understand why they were there, or with the fact that they became smaller than physically, for well -known reasons?
The Kadyrovites were initially not useful in this war, Kadyrov simply managed to keep PR for some time
Abubakar Yangulbaev: I had this opinion from the very beginning, I shouted about this, although I am not a military expert, but I know Chechnya well and I know the Kadyrovites well too. I know well what they dress, what they eat, with what thoughts they go forward, to war and so on. As you noted, the military spirit, the fighting spirit is a very important aspect in any war, it is important now.
The Kadyrovites were initially not useful in this war, not only me, but also many others who know Chechnya spoke and shouted about it. Kadyrov managed to keep PR, attention on himself for some time, to be the engine of war, as if his military units were doing something significant. But in the end, it turned out over and over again that in fact they did not do anything, either they are sitting in the rear, or they have very few people. He calls high numbers, but when I begin to count, more than 300 thousand have never been there. I am glad that in the end military experts came to the conclusion that the Kadyrov units are useless. Before that, I thought that they were always useless.
Elena Rykovtseva: Today, Vladimir Putin’s travels resumed to the people, he went to Buryatia. We will now see the plot about why in Buryatia, as in Buryatia and what in Buryatia.
We see fatigue from all this war, from sending to the war
Elena Rykovtseva: with us in touch Dorjo Dugarov . You saw a meeting with workers who for the hundredth time on the fingers of Vladimir Putin or the one who replaces him on such trips explained: all this because in Ukraine they destroyed Russian activists, writers, public figures on the streets. Here each time it is necessary to clarify that yes, there were cases ( Oles Buzin ), but we remember that exactly the same cases were in Russia, and these cases are no less, if not more than in Ukraine. But he summarizes this to the point that almost massive executions of pro -Russian activists were on the streets of Ukrainian cities. How do you assess the state of minds in today's Buryatia, what impression do these words make on them? Are they really cut off, divorced from understanding of affairs in modern Ukraine so much that all these lectures fall on nutritious soil?
People do not want to talk much about the war, avoid this topic
Dorjo Dugarov: I am constantly in touch with my fellow countrymen in Buryatia, I roughly imagine what they think. Without even counting the fact that I can have my own circle of communication, as an acting organization that has cells in the territory of my native republic, we collect data, public opinion, who thinks and talks about. We see fatigue from all this war, from sending are drilled to war. Today I checked the data: the number of dead already more, in three days our number of people has increased by almost a hundred people. At the moment, 584 people are open sources. As far as I know, people do not want to talk a lot about the war, avoid this topic.
Today I listened to local Buryat television channels (I do not really like it, because this is a continuous propaganda), I listened to how they turn, what they ask people. They ask only one question: what would you wish Vladimir Vladimirovich so that you could give Vladimir Vladimirovich? They did not ask: what did the war bring to your house, how did you live - good or bad? Of course, even among these answers it slipped that it would be good for our life, something we began to live well. One woman said: can my son return home?
Elena Rykovtseva: Gennady, you now listened to Vladimir Putin, who for the hundredth time tells this fairy tale about the White Bull, about how it was necessary to save the "Russian world", which by all means stretched to Russia, and now they were killed on the streets, so you had to save. Do you think he already believed in this fairy tale that he carries to people?
Gennady Gudkov: I generally think that Putin fell out of adequate, I don’t know for what reasons, maybe he really drinks some medicines, maybe this affects his psyche. He carries such a blizzard! He tries to seem sincere, but carries an absolute blizzard about the fact that they killed on the streets, cleaned up. There, all the eastern and southeastern regions spoke Russian, there was no oppression of the Russian language. I did not get out of the channels of Ukrainian television, spoke Russian, spoke to me in Russian, there were no problems at all. There was no reason to even think so! If Putin carries some nonsense, nonsense, then he is either a sick ... I don’t even think that he is able to play so talentedly on the lies, apparently he really has something with his head, "the roof goes."
Putin generally fell out of adequate, he carries such a blizzard!
Elena Rykovtseva: Here is a quote: "After 2014, the physical extermination of everyone who advocated the development of normal relations with Russia began. Public figures and journalists were killed on the streets." But what about the prosperous Medvedchuk, who won the second place with his party?
Gennady Gudkov: Why are we listening to nonsense?!
Elena Rykovtseva: We have no choice, the president of the Russian Federation is one.
The president has never been as completely insane as we see him now
Gennady Gudkov: You can listen not only to the president, we have Masha Zakharov with Lavrov how much they invent all nonsense on the trips between Africa and Buryatia ... We have to endure, the guys completely left the shores, maybe due to the diseases, perhaps due to some deviations, maybe due to stress, the enemy seems to them behind every bush. Something happens to them. Putin was not like that. Still, I had the opportunity to meet him several times in some format, even communicate, speak, and he was never as crazy as we see him now. People reborn, change both for the best and for the worse.
Elena Rykovtseva: I will read another quote-this is what he says to the workers in Buryatia: “This is the struggle for our people who live in these territories. You see, we are a multinational country, after all, this is a“ Russian world ”. If you are talking to people who come from there, I have met with them, they are no different from us, they are the same as we. This is part of us, part of our people, how can they be abandoned? " Speaking in Buryatia "Russian World", he does not think that this is tactless? Or maybe it's not tactless?
Dorjo Dugarov: We must understand that in the territory of Buryatia the Buryats make up a minority, 30%. Therefore, in principle, to say "Russian world" is also probably permissible in something. I understand why he went so abruptly to Buryatia, which is the need for a trip: the Buryats in exile created several large movements, organizations that cooperate very closely. Хотя у нас есть разные полюса, разные видения будущего, кто-то является федералистом, кто-то полностью за независимость. Кстати, число тех, кто за независимость, больше, это подавляющее большинство бурят. Мы влияем на умонастроения в самой республике, у нас есть связь с республикой. Понятно, что он поехал тушить этот пожар будущего распада России. Я ожидал, что он приедет и скажет дроны строить на нашем авиазаводе, но, вроде бы, нет. Есть, конечно, закрытая часть совещания, и я не знаю, что он там сказал.
Путин поехал в Бурятию тушить пожар будущего распада России
Елена Рыковцева: Они всегда были бы готовы похвастаться, они же любят говорить, что у нас оружие – сверхзвуковое, такое, сякое. Конечно, если бы речь шла о дронах, я думаю, не преминули бы.
Доржо Дугаров: Хотя, кто их знает. С Китаем какие-то отношения, Си Цзиньпин скоро собирается... Они могли бы производить дроны на территории Улан-Удэ, тем более – имея всю инфраструктуру, потенциал и так далее. У нас вертолеты и Су-25 , штурмовики производят. Я думаю, такое может быть.
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