"A full -fledged throw to Moscow - why not?"

RDK - ultra -right. So, Russia is really fighting with the Nazis? We talked about this with the commander of the formation of Denis Nikitin.

The Russian Volunteer Corps is a military formation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consisting of Russians. They participate in battles in Ukraine and arrange raids in Russia. RDK leader - ultra -right activist Denis White Rex Nikitin (Kapustin). Most of the corps fighters adhere to the same views, thus supporting the main narrative of the Russian propaganda about the “war with the Nazis”. Is this a problem? The editor of Kholoda Maxim conspiration talked about this with Nikitin himself.

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This is an abbreviated and edited version of the interview from the new video project “Cold” “We are power”. In it, we are talking with politicians of any, even radical views, which, it seems to us, will fight for power in Russia after Putin. Read more about the current status of the RDK, the military capabilities of the corps and its next combat operations, see the full version of the interview on the YouTube channel "Cold".

Sooner or later, the war will end. If you live up to this point, do you plan to participate in the legal policy of future Russia?

- Of course, until the end of the war - but preferably before victory - I plan to survive. And yes, I see myself as a person who will be able to influence the future of our Motherland.

In what political status?

- A lot depends on the results of the war. From how stable or unstable the state of affairs in the Russian Federation will be. Naturally, I assume that military defeat should become the final factor in destabilization in the country, I think that it will be akin to defeat in the Russian-Japanese war and will cause some tectonic shifts. (In many ways, due to defeat in the Russian-Japanese war in Russia in 1905, the revolution began.-Approx. "Cold".)

In a chaos situation, I can imagine some scenario that we worked out, for example, in the same new Tavolzhanka , but with great efforts-so that we from the territory of Ukraine go to some territory that can be easily defended from external forces. Now there are a lot of jokes and memes about the Belgorod or Bryansk people's republics - well, let's imagine: we come to this territory, hold a referendum, find out the will of local residents: who they want, with the new government or with the old? And then we are exercising control in this territory, we turn it into our base - either for further expansion, or simply so that it becomes an island of stability in such a crazy, unstable Russia.

And if I understand that the X has come, that there are no crazy centrifugal processes and the authorities in the Russian Federation or everyone begins to shoot at everyone if I understand that the “Russian Volunteer Corps” can afford a full trip to Moscow and that, in addition to the purely military components, we have enough people who can engage in the civil administration, I can also imagine a full throw to Moscow - why not?

It’s just that now I am intact realistically: at the moment we are not ready for this. But the script of the Bryansk People’s Republic or the Belgorod People’s Republic is already quite close.

And if the inhabitants of these areas do not support you?

- Why run ahead? You can look at the reaction of the inhabitants of Rostov-on-Don, when the Wagnerians arrived there: who could have thought of this? Voronezh, Lipetsk, Rostov-on-Don-all of them greeted the Wagnerians (judging by the testimonies of eyewitnesses, in Voronezh the Wagner PMC column simply did not interfere, and the fighters of Prigozhin did not even come in Lipetsk.-Approx. "Cold" ) . Yes, we are not Vagnerovites, but we are written in a very large number of people from different regions: “Come to Kaluga”, “To Ryazan”, “Rather in Belgorod”, “Come here”, “I have already been ready for shot lists”, “I have already got a grandfather’s berdanka”, “I will meet you.” We will bring deliverance from the war, good -neighborly relations with Ukraine, I will in every possible way petition so that the territory controlled by us is free from sanctions.

I think that if a person who now comes to the center of Shebekin and says: “Guys, so my party, ICS, now announces a truce, not a single Ukrainian projectile will fly here and not a single Ukrainian drone will explode, but I need to trust” - I think this person will be given a loan of trust. I think that people who are tired of war, shootings, devastation and sirens will go to it.

It's clear. That is, in the legal political field, for example, in the status of the right party in parliament, you do not see yourself?

- Here we are faced with the problem of Putin's heritage. All politics in our country is a burnt to zero and a field concrete on top. Who can we call from real politicians who is not “smeared” by the current Putin authority? Perhaps someone will name the name of Mr. Navalny. I personally are not familiar with him, but it seems to me that Navalny is also the tip of a spear of some forces.

The Russian opposition completely discredited itself by the fact that over 20 years, having not compared with us, with the right -wing forces, the resource, literally achieved anything. At an hour, ICS, when it was necessary to roll up sleeves and rush in blood and dirt, these people-I am talking, for example, about the coordination council of the opposition (existed from October 2012 to October 2013.-Approx. "Cold") -they did not dare, were not afraid. Including, therefore, we are now with weapons in the hands of Putin. Not with paper cups, as is customary in the Russian opposition, namely with machine guns, grenades, and so on. Let's measure everyone’s contribution to victory: someone spent his time, someone-his health, and someone puts life on the altar of the fate of the beautiful Russia of the future.

I think that it is unfair to us, those who risk most of all, to equalize in capabilities and in rights with those people who did not take risks for a second of their lives - simply did not take part in this war.

If they are not ready to stand in one row with us, they could help us with information and financially. Every person must bring the victory closer if he counts on life in the Russian Federation. He is obliged to help us, and not by a kind word. When a person takes out money from his pocket, so that we bought Mavik (a model of a compact quadrocopter. - Approx. “Cold”) and did not go to reconnaissance, but a drone, or when we have the opportunity to buy a night vision device for five thousand dollars and not remain blind at night, of course, this is a serious contribution to the Victory cause.

You now, in fact, say that the power in the very beautiful Russia of the future can be bought, and buy it now.

- There is a fundamental question that everyone should answer. I want to overthrow Putin: yes or no? If so, what am I doing for this? Let's judge by business. You can write that RDK is neo -Nazis, scum and their main dreams of the fourth Reich in the territory of the Bryansk People's Republic. Or you can persuade public opinion towards approval, towards revising the attitude to the Nationalist’s label, you can include public opinion, collect donations for us.

Have you thought that the political views of the RDK support the rhetoric of Russian propaganda that there are only Nazis in Ukraine? Even the Russians who are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces.

- For starters: people from the right -wing political spectrum are primarily people. Does anyone have the right to kill people like me, simply because I am a bearer of an ideology that someone does not like? By the logic of Vladimir Putin - yes. As well as by the logic of some ultraliberals in the West. If I am right, then you can kill me, I can be executed, you can break into the house in which I live and destroy everyone, because I live there. I think that we need to end with this rhetoric, because if we talk about freedom as the value that we all strive for, then, probably, we need to come to the fact that freedom should be for all alone. For ultralel, ultra -medium and ultra -right.

As for Russian propaganda - what is the point of it to be conducted? They found us on the second of March, when we entered the Bryansk region, and before that? Bucha, Irpen, destroyed Mariupol, destroyed to the base of Bakhmut, bombing of peaceful cities, torture, rape, torture? I personally know the guys whose families died in Buch and in Irpen under completely terrible circumstances. What will Russian propaganda say about them? Why were women, mothers, children killed? Because they fight against Russia like me? This does not beat and does not glue.

During the Black Hour, the Ukrainian government did not ask what views of those who remain to defend Kyiv. I stayed there on February 24, when a stock traffic jam of those leaving was lined up on the exit from the city. And when we received weapons, no one asked us about anything: it was clear to everyone why we were standing and against whom and what. After a year and a half, they began to seek out, who and where the swastika was tattooed, who is the Nazi, who and what in 2014 wrote on Facebook - this is all a crazy trifle. Since I have a background of the right radical and a nationalist, then this whole crazy death machine had the right to attack Ukraine? It's stupid.

You were not asked about political views when they gave out weapons. And when you are now taking in the RDC, are you interested in the political views of recruits?

- Yes, of course, for one simple reason. There is such a thing as a climate in a team, and in a fighting unit it is insanely important. It is necessary that people who risk life feel comfortable in this situation. In principle, any corporation strives to ensure that the climate in the work team is a worker, so that everyone gets along with everyone, so that it is normal. If a person puts his political views, sexual preferences at the forefront, then, probably, we are not on the way with him.

So he, for example, doesn’t put it, but you? Imagine that a dark -skinned homosexual comes to sign up for RDK - what will you answer him?

“We will not accept him.” The dark -skinned homosexual will definitely not fit into the conservative, traditionalist right unit. Just because the people with whom he will train, to share the night, deliver bread - they will be uncomfortable with him. That's all.

We have fighters who say: “Guys, I like everything, but I will not go to Moscow, to the Bryansk or Belgorod regions. I’m with you because I want to recapture Ukraine, I am with you to the borders of 1991. ” In such cases, there are no questions. This person does not try to convince us that we need to fight only this way, and not otherwise.

There are guys who say: "I do not share your views, I am more Libertan, I believe that this is and this is wrong." No problems, we will understand the political subtleties and in choosing the vector of development of the new Russia after we will raise the flag of RDK over the White House.

You always say that both state propaganda and liberals accuse you of Nazism and Racism. What are they wrong?

- Let's think more modern categories. We must ask them what you invest in the concept of Nazism. What are you putting into this concept?

Firstly, the idea of ​​the superiority of one nation over another. In your case, the Russian nation.

- I do not support this idea, because now I’m fighting with the Russian nation. The Russian nation has been completely terribly shown in recent years. In principle, in certain things I reviewed my views and do not believe in the exclusivity of some nations.

And what about the races?

- I believe in the difference between the races, I traveled around the world, I was in Asia, in Africa, I was almost everywhere in Europe. I understand that origin always carries a cultural code, mental code. Residents of the African continent - they are. Residents of Asia - such, Europe - such. Then you can crush on ethnic groups, nationality, but we all know that there are hardworking Japanese, hungry Irish, punctual Germans (Nikitin gives an example of stereotypes that are not confirmed by scientific research. - Approx. “ Cold ”) .

I just think that people who think that I am a champion of the ideas of racial purity or doctrines of the times of Adolf Hitler - they are convenient to believe in it, hanging the labels on us, on people like me, terrible supporters of Eugenics and smoking concentration camps. These are all nonsense, these are all cliches that the Western liberal party itself hangs us.

I haven’t introduced Hitler into our dialogue now. Let’s then figure out how you feel about him.

- I believe that there is Hitler for Germany and for the rest of the world. Hitler for Germany is a man who raised the country out of poverty and shame of the Versailles world and again made an “empire from an absolutely humiliated and ruined state. I think that if there were no Second World War, it is quite possible that the attitude towards Hitler in modern Germany, and in the world, would be like Stalin. That is, yes, of course, a tyrant, a terrible dictator, but from a destroyed country made a world power, a powerful industry (such a view of Stalin is uncharacteristic for most independent historians. - Approx. “ Cold ”) . But we have a factor in World War II, and therefore Hitler hung all kinds of labels on Hitler and accused him of all possible and impossible military crimes.

Holocaust - wow a label. *** " The final solution of the Jewish question *."

“I just propose to share: Hitler without a world war for Germany and Hitler for the rest of the world, plus war.

How can this be separated? It’s the same as saying: “Here is a killer maniac who kills and rape the children-in this, of course, he is wrong. But if it is separated, then, in fact, a person is good, he cares well for his house. ”

- Hitler, good, did not rape anyone, so I said that if there were no Second World War and the Holocaust, we would perceive him as German Stalin. My attitude to any forms of genocide, murders without trial and investigation, executions and executions - it was and will be negative. Even in the framework of this war I spoke out against crippling and torturing prisoners, and no matter, Russian or Ukrainian.

The Wikipedia with reference to the Der Spiegel magazine says that you are from a Jewish family. This is true?

- No, this is not true. Moreover, for that matter, Spiegel magazine says that I am a Jewish repatriate, and not a native of a Jewish family. (The literal quote from the article in Der Spiegel magazine: “ Kapustin first came from Russia to Germany with his family in 2001 as a Jewish refugee. In the documents of the Kapubnykh, it took place as a“ special case ”because of their alleged Jewish origin .”-approx. “Cold”.)

Does this information hurt you?

- Of course, he touches. Like any lie. Like any normal person. The same article by Spiegel says that I traded amphetamines, illegal weapons, that I am an agent of the Kremlin and the Azov Ambassador (nothing was written about Azov in this article. - Approx. Cold) .

Refute.

- Where will we start? From the fact that I am an agent of the Kremlin? This is already beating quite easily by my current activity, subversive to the Kremlin.

Drug trade?

- This is not even confirmed by the materials of the criminal case, which the gentlemen from the magazine Spiegel referred to. No, thank God, I have never had nothing to do with trade prohibited substances and I am not going to have.

We continue this small blitz. Have you participated in migrant attacks?

-As a young skinhead in Moscow, I participated in street fights, let’s say, with representatives of the Caucasus. I never participated in the pogroms of the markets, I never took part in some planned attacks on representatives of the Caucasus, Asia or the African continent (at the same time, Nikitin promised a reward of 50 thousand rubles for the attack on the stand-up Idrak Mirzazade.- Note to “cold”) . Spontaneous fights, Moscow of the 2000s, bars, metro-there was everything. Here I do not deny.

Did you kill people not in war?

- Well, let's say so. I was in various street brawls, after which, when everyone scattered, people remained on the ground, they lay unconscious. I sincerely want to think that after some time they got up and went, but I do not know that.

Have you ever talked with Vladimir Zelensky?

- Not yet.

And with the hearing?

- I have not talked with the hearing yet. But I dreamed of him once.

What was this dream?

- It was a very interesting dream. I dreamed of after the autumn counterattack in the Kharkov region, very successful, and everyone spoke: "Salty Blood." We then participated in one very bright episode of the positional war, there was a powerful shelling on our part, then they began to answer us - I returned on emotions. And I fell asleep next to my girlfriend, and at night I began to moan and cry. I was dreamed of a blurry silhouette that went on me against the backdrop of some kind of fire, burning buildings and ruins. As I approached, I realized that this was a hearing, I went up to him, put my head on his chest and cried.

He acquired me, and some votes, some third-party observers, said: "Why do you regret him, is this a simple soldier?" And Zaluzhny answered: "They are all my children." And I moaned at that moment. In reality, I was stroked not by a slave, but by my wife, but the dream was like that. «‎Это все мои дети», — сказал Залужный мне во сне, плачущему у него на груди. Святая правда.