Interview with a pensioner, according to which Skochilenko was detained

"Russia 1"

Mikhail Delyagin is an economist, publicist. In 1997-2003 he worked in the Russian government. Member of the Fair Russia party, a supporter of recognition of the DPR and LPR.

Evgeny Satanovsky is an orientalist and an economist, a regular participant in the programs of Vladimir Solovyov. It was included in the sanctions lists of Ukraine, Latvia and the international working group of Yermak - McFola.

Petersburger Daria Trepova is accused of carrying explosives in a cafe, where military -Killer Vladlen Tatarsky died as a result of a terrorist attack. According to the article on the attack and others, she faces up to 20 years of imprisonment.

The case of Sasha Skochilenko began with the fact that the buyer of the Perekrestok store saw the price tag with the text: “The Russian army bombed the art school in Mariupol. About 400 people hid in it from shelling ”and called the police to the store.

After that, the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case of "fakes" about the army and found Sasha. The prosecutor requested eight years of the colony for Skochilenko.

“Paper” spoke with a 76-year-old woman who discovered the price tag and wrote a statement to the police-about the consequences of her complaint, about Sasha’s sentence and why the pensioner believes that there was a lie on the price tag.

“ I don’t know what the hell to do it for.” About the reaction to price tags

- Do you follow the criminal case of Sasha Skochilenko, which was excited after your application for a price tag in the “Crossroads?

- I did not know how! I am a "scammer"! I am proud of what I did. So, a crime to see and pass by is not a shame?

- Now Sasha Skochilenko will be sentenced. She was requested eight years of colony.

“Did I send her to lay out these price tags?” What do you want me to say that she is a good girl? Do you need to forgive it?

- I just want to know if your attitude to this “crime” has changed when you saw who exactly was planted as a result?

- And what difference does it make to me, who is a fool? I actually do not consider her a criminal. Rather, she did not think, until all this one further began to begin Katavasia.

- You mean which katavasia?

-It began that on the Internet, what was painted there, then all this Codla around her [Sasha] walks in court. How do I feel about this? I am very outraged by the fact that they spat on people who protect Russia. And people who live in Russia do it, even if they do not consider themselves Russian.

Don't you like Russia? Vali abroad! We are not holding. Less people, more oxygen. Breathe there, you will be better to feed you there. Ride. But to spit people who protect Russia, this is meanness! If you share their position, then you are also a vile person.

As for Sasha Skochilenko - what's the difference to me? I am not familiar with her. But when I read her page, my son looked, said: oh, everything - if you want, look, but I'm already sick. I have such an attitude towards this.

“You said that at first you did not consider her a criminal.”

“I thought it was just stupidity if you were interested in my reaction.” When I saw this muck [a card with the text], I grabbed it purely impulsively, I was thrown into heat, I went away: I didn’t have enough for me to get a stroke because of you! My attitude has not changed to this. Strength is always meanness. And they beat fools in the church.

And if she wanted to curry up ... I don’t know what the hell to do it for. A sign of her stupidity, first of all. That's why this can be done? Maybe you explain to me? And I just can't understand such people.

"I am also a pacifist." On the attitude to the act of Sasha

- Yes, I understand very well, she herself explained in detail why she did this.

- Explain to me. This in principle may be interesting to me. At the age of 76, it may seem funny to you, but ...

- No, it does not seem funny to me at all. She wanted more people who do not share her position, so that they would know that in fact, as she believed, she was happening at the front. This is the information that her acquaintances from Kyiv told her in the messages.

“I will never believe that she actually believed in it.” I will never believe in that! There are fools, there are fools in Cuba. But such simply does not happen.

- Why do you think so?

- It is clear that this is misinformation. Moreover, this [price tag model] spread through the Internet. Then I figured out this: there are several price tags, they write a price tag and the number of supposedly victims. And how many victims were in eight years in Donetsk? Why didn't it outraged her?

- I think it was also outraged. Just specifically at this moment, when she placed the price tags, other events were already taking place. She says she is a pacifist, she was outraged by all the victims.

- I'm a pacifist too. But I understand that good should be with fists.

As for the Ukrainians and Brotherhood of the peoples, I have my own position. I grew up in Baku from 5 to 19 years old. And what is the friendship of peoples and the brotherhood of peoples, I know. I have a cousin and sister half -ookly: brother near Kyiv. By the way, 20 kilometers from this airfield, which was first bombed. And we are very worried about him.

The younger brother has a Ukrainian wife. People are 48 years married. I asked her last year: who are you, Ukrainian or Russian? 47 years I did not interest me. So if we talk about the attitude towards Ukrainians, I am very worried. I am a pacifist. When I read that the Ukrainians were beaten so much, my soul breaks away: that our victims, that their victims are all the same. And I say: these bastards beat Russian people from both side. They make you fight. I think that most of the dead, they did not want to fight with Russia at all, and they would easily live in Russia.

And those notes (layouts of price tags with anti -war text - approx. “Papers” ), my son then showed me on the Internet: they were in Yekaterinburg, and Chelyabinsk, and with us. They were sent purposefully.

- You have very strong beliefs, Sasha Skochilenko has your own. You can tell you why you are absolutely sure that this information is false and that there were no peaceful victims there?

- There are always peaceful sacrifices. You can go to your ceremonial, and then you will be found with a broken head. Stand at the bus stop, some goat will go past, turn the wrong way, knock it out. What does peaceful sacrifices mean? I know that ours are not doing this. And I wish victory to Russian weapons, because the Russians.

- Why did this inscription outraged you so deeply that they bombed the art school? That almost to a stroke.

- They accused our guys. Our guys are both Ukrainians and Russians. This was outraged by this. And I think that there are no such fools in Cuba.

True, surprisingly, of course, others were first fined at first. She [Skochilenko], apparently, hoped that she would easily get off and would be a heroine at the same time. And I do not sympathize with sympathize with her. Especially after what the campaign turned around and what kind of Codla walks around her. Oh-oh-oh! This is such a public. It is only a pity that they brought up such young people that they are already all non -Russian in beliefs. Yes, they are all non -Russian by nationality.

By the way, I do not cry at all in the department. I do not love Lenin and Stalin. I consider Stalin a hazel for a hazel. So I don’t have to suspect me either.

"You understand, this is a war!" On the reputation of the scammer

-That is, you are offended that someone called you a scammer?

- Yes, sure. Outrageous. Someone wrote correctly: she did not write that Skochilenko laid out it. She just wrote that these papers were lying. In fact, I went to the administrator: remove so that they would not spread muck.

- And if the administrator came up to you and said: “Now we’ll remove it,” you would still go to the police or not?

- No, why. I have nothing to do. I just wanted to have this meanness.

-I want to find out from you. Do you think that the problem is that the Russian side could not bomb the art school and other peaceful objects? Or could it, but you should not talk about it?

- The bomb could get into any object. But that 400 people were in an art school, I doubt.

- So there was a bomb shelter, the basement, as I understand it. Therefore, they hid there.

- Bombed. So what? Bombed the house. That there are 400 people hide, no one could know. Who knows this? What is this, the pilot came and dropped purposefully to everyone on their heads? Shot and hit.

- Do you think that you do not need to focus on this?

- You understand, this is a war!

“But you can understand why Sasha was outraged to such an extent that she cried and wanted other people too ...

- I do not believe that she was indignant. And that this Ukraine was not at all and that the territory of this Ukraine is three quarters of Russian, this is Novorossia, not Ukraine - she didn’t think about it, this Sasha?

“But she doesn't think so, I think.”

- Here I am about that.

"They don't give so much for this." About his position and Sashin sentence

- Do you watch Russian television, the “first” and the second channel?

- In our house there is no TV at all. True, I look at Yetube, because there you can choose it yourself.

- What do you look, if not a secret?

- I watch "Tsargrad", Delyagin . Well, Satanovsky too. Here are the guys well done. What do I like? From Baku experience, I remember from childhood that we all said: here are Russians the worst of all. All nations support their own, but the Russians are not.

- And what is your education?

- College. I worked as an accountant.

-Tell me, did you go to the police for some cases when there were “statements against Russia” or something?

- No, I did not apply.

- And how long did you think that Ukraine as a separate country was not at all? And that Ukraine also started this war?

-I actually know the story well. I at one time wanted to enter the historical and in general I am obsessed with the Decembrists. And I know the story. And that Crimea is Russian. We did not attach it, we returned Crimea. The only good that Putin did.

- And for whom did you vote in the presidential election?

- I do not go to the polls, this is a booth. You said that you are interested in my position. Here is my position. And the fact that Sasha is such a fool that she pretends, I do not believe.

“But you understand that people of a different generation, they have other views on this subject, at everything.”

- I have a son born in 1982. He was not taken into the army. But when it began in the Donbass, he says: if necessary, I will go. He is also your generation.

“I talked to you with hope, mother Sasha.” She is now waiting for her daughter to be sentenced, possibly, to the eight years of the colony. What would you tell her?

“I would say why her daughter grew up with such beliefs?” If this can be called beliefs, of course. But, of course, to be honest, I think that if [Daria] Trepova is given 15 years, then, of course, it would be less for papers. I was actually surprised. From the very beginning, the prosecutors said: what kind of stupidity? For this they do not give the same amount. Putted and released.

What else to read:

• “You can’t put it in jail for this, your honor.” This is the speech of the defender Sasha Skochilenko . After it, the hall applauded, and the judge refused to continue the meeting.
• "You are stronger than you think of yourself." A large interview with Sasha Skochilenko “Paper” is about PTSD, attitude towards her in jail and show in court.