"Taken as it should"

Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Putin discussed Ukraine, NATO and neo -Nazism for two hours. We looked at it for you

The American TV presenter, the former frontman of the FOX channel, Tucker Carlson published an interview with Vladimir Putin on his website. As expected, it lasted almost two hours and for the most part was dedicated to the war in Ukraine. Russian propaganda promised that the conversation would become “historical”, and covered everything that Carlson did in Russia for several days. What happened in the end? The editor of Kholoda Maxim conspiracies watched the video immediately after the publication.

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In 1885, on the island of Fiji, the local shaman of Ndugomoi began to make strange rites during worship. He "consecrated" water and folded his hands during prayers. That is, it acted exactly how terrible white colonialists - absolute evil, according to all the natives without exception. So the Tuka sect appeared, historians consider it the first manifestation of a cargo-poult-a phenomenon that combines hatred and admiration for the foreigners.

In 2024, at the height of an ideological, and in a sense, a military configuration with the West, Russian propaganda for several days turned into a frantic PR service not just American, but “ about American”, as Dmitry Peskov, a TV presenter put it . Perhaps not a single “direct line”, not a single software statement by Putin received such advertising from the Russian state media as his interview with Takera Karlson.

Margarita Simonyan, who even called the dismissal of the enemy army commander “Theft of Thunder Tucker” (that is, lamented that the resignation of the slave is pulling attention), announced the interview: “I know that it was taken and taken as it should.” Journalist Stanislav Kucher, who lives in the USA, said that this “how” was dispersed even among the American fans of Carlson and not that they made them great. Still, the fan-base of the TV presenter considers him an independent journalist, and not a provider of anyone, especially Russian, “needs”.

The State Agency of RIA Novosti is the unconditional flagship of PR-contribution of the Russian journey of Tucker Carlson. It published more than 100 notes that announce the broadcast, among which there was even a commentary on the “tasty-and point” about the TV presenter (“An ordinary person is no more, no less”), and a few hours before the interview, when Carlson posted (in the prohibited, by the way, instagram) Promo-Kadr from the Kremlin, adjusted its authors in its own official telegram channel: would be quickly [to give] with a description of the picture. "

Soon, the journalistic material with this description really came out : “Near Carlson is a glass of water, and next to Putin, most likely, the legendary white thermos. Both are in costumes, Tucker chose a striped tie for an interview, Putin - plain. ”

According to AI RIA Novosti, and in the United States itself, “and, without exaggeration, around the world,” the arrival of Carlson to Russia “caused a huge excitement”. However, the analysis of search queries in Google Trends in the last week does not confirm this. The Village Estate drew attention to the fact that only once-February 4-the name of Carlson barely fell into the top 20 requests in the United States. On the other hand, the TV presenter’s four -minute appeal about why he came to talk with Putin, looked on Twitter more than 100 million times, and commented on 55 thousand. In general, this is not for you to talk to Pavel Zarubin.

About an hour before an interview, information tapes of state agencies, scored by Carlson and Putin, broke out urgent news from the north of Moscow. On the spot, a terrible euphemism: “There was a clap” , then “something fell” and a residential building caught fire. Now three houses. People ask for help from the windows. Two thousand square meters in fire, four thousand. Moscow is on. At this moment, Tucker Carlson appears on the website of Tucker Carlson on the background of the Kremlin. He comes to an interview with Putin. And here is Putin "with the legendary white thermos."

Disclaimer: In the published interview, the answers of Vladimir Putin Takeer Carlson are voiced in English. Some quotes may be inaccurate due to a reverse translation.

01:18 - Lecture and Victor Orban

The first question of Carlson: whether Putin thought was thinking that NATO could attack Russia. Putin clarifies: "Do we have a talk show or a serious conversation here?" Carlson is flooded with laughter. Putin asks "30 seconds or minute" for a "small historical reference." The next 20 minutes we listen to the lecture akin to the one that Putin read on the morning of the invasion of Ukraine.

At some point, a daddy with documents was brought into the frame. Inside - the alleged letters of Bogdan Khmelnitsky to Warsaw and Moscow with a request to “take Ukraine in the strong hands of the Moscow Tsar”: they say, you know, Tucker, they themselves asked. This folder, however, did not open. Neither Putin nor Carlson. Then there were Lithuanians, Austrians, Hungarians, Ekaterina the Great, Hitler and Lenin as the "creator of modern Ukraine."

"Did you promise [the Prime Minister of Hungary] to Victor Orban part of Ukraine?" - asks Carlson. “No-ko,” replies Putin. And then he adds: "But, of course, the Hungarians want to return to their historical territories."

22:55 - Barsh -bark shoulder, collective West and resentment

Carlson resumes a lecture and again asks about the threat of NATO attack. So Putin believed in it or did not believe? Putin repeats about the “serious conversation” that they were going to lead. Laugh again. Putin proceeds to recent history: the collapse of the USSR, the 1990s , Ukraine "dragged with her everything that it received from the Barsky shoulder" of Russia. “The collective West,” he called him that, “deceived us.” Carlson understands that he will not receive an answer to his question, and decides to discuss China.

“The West is afraid of strong China more than strong Russia”: China is developing phenomenally, the Chinese economy is “the largest in the world”. Probably, the Chinese audience of the interview liked this part of it.

The next 15 minutes - again about the insults to the United States, which "sent us away."

42:17

And remember Yushchenko, and Yanukovych, who won the election, but was “not the best politician”, but the USA, which “supported the coup” in Ukraine? "Who are you?" “I wanted to ask them,” Putin was annoyed. Well, understandable.

48:33 - Carlson almost receives an answer to his question

Carlson calls the war "current conflict." "What was a trigger for you to arrange all this?" He asks. Putin answers again for a long time. “Bloody events on the Maidan”, “Gos transfer”, “Crimea”, “Minsk agreements”, “NATO bases”. At the mention of NATO, Carlson makes an attentive face. Maybe now there will be a threat? No, it won't.

55:24 - thrown out agreements

Denazification. “This is a very important question,” Putin revives. “You see, by virtue of historical development ...” Putin has another “little historical certificate” for Tucker Carlson, among other things, the story with the SS veteran in Canada’s parliament is mentioned. And after all, they “killed Russians, Poles, and Jews”, and “Zelensky is a Jew!” And how can you applaud this veteran? "That's what denazification is."

Then Putin gives out news. It turns out that in the negotiations in Istanbul, Russia agreed with Ukraine that neo -Nazism will be prohibited there. But after the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv, "the Ukrainian side threw away all the agreements."

So the first hour of the interview ends.

01:04:00-Oh, I am afraid

Carlson: "When was the last time you talked with Bayden?" Putin: "I do not remember."

Carlson: "Don't you remember?" - The host is again poured with laughter.

Putin: “No. Do I have to remember everything? "

As a result, Putin nevertheless recalls that it was before the war.

Carlson: "So why don't you call Biden and do not offer to solve everything?"

“Why decide? Are you going to put such a weapon on Ukraine? Oh, I'm afraid, I am, please do not supply. What to talk about? "

Putin says that if the United States wants to end the war in Ukraine, it is necessary to stop supporting it. "Then everything will end in a few weeks." Evolution "Three days"

01:07:23 - One threats

Carlson enters his favorite question from the other side. "Do you think NATO is afraid of a global conflict or even a nuclear war?" Putin calls the Russian threat invented.

What about the potential entry of troops into Poland or Latvia? “Only if Poland attacks Russia,” Putin replies and laughs again. “Because we have no interests either in Poland or in Latvia nowhere. Why do we need this? We simply have no interests. Some threats. "

01:11:35

Carlson: "Who blew up the" Northern Stream "?" "You!" - Putin points to Carlson with both hands. Carlson: “I was busy at that moment. Alibi". Both laugh. Putin: "You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA does not have such an alibi."

Putin adds that he is "surprised by the silence of Germany."

01:17:38 - The dollar is not the same

Economic block. “The dollar is the basis of US power. But its use in the foreign policy is stupid and one of the gross strategic mistakes "

Further, Putin explains why the dollar will end soon. Not that ruble. And Yuan is a completely different matter. Well, the US public debt of 33 trillion dollars also mentioned.

01:24:35

Trumpist Carlson asks if the relations of Russia and the USA will improve under the new administration. Putin: “The question is not in personalities. I had a very good relationship with Bush Jr., but he made many mistakes against Russia. And with Trump I also had a good relationship. ”

“America is a complex country,” Putin philosophically remarks.

01:36:39

Participants in the conversation discuss Zelensky.

Carlson: "Do you think he has freedom of decision -making to stop this conflict?"

It’s hard to judge Putin about it, but he believes in it. After all, the father of Zelensky fought against fascism. True, apparently, not against that very fascism, since it was born in 1947. “I spoke to him about it. I asked: “Volodya, what are you doing?”

Again they talk about "neo -Nazism."

01:44:50

Conversation about God. Carlson asks: “How can the head of state be a Christian? After all, Christianity teaches “not to kill”? ” Well, it was subtle.

The discussion of religion predictably ends with the discussion of "neo -Nazism."

01:49:25 - Suddenly Elon Musk

Scientific page. Putin: “ The innovation of Ilona Mask cannot be stopped - it is necessary to negotiate with it. For example, about implanting chips into the human brain. ”

01:51:15 - Exchange of prisoners

One of the real intrigues of this interview - whether the question will be asked about the American journalist Evan Gershkovich, who is in the Russian pre -trial detention center on charges of espionage.

This question sounded. In response, Putin, it seems, suggested exchanging Gershkovich for Vadim Krasikov, who was serving a life sentence in Germany for the murder of the former Chechen field commander Zelimkhan Khangoshvili.

“Listen, I’ll tell you: sits in one country, a country - an ally of the United States, a man who, of patriotic reasons, liquidated a bandit in one of the European capitals. During the events in the Caucasus do you know what he [the bandit] did? I don’t want to say, but nevertheless I will say: he laid out our soldiers captured on the road, and then drove through their heads by the car. What is this person and a person? But there was a patriot who eliminated him in one of the European capitals. He did it on his own initiative or not - this is another question. "

01:58:38

Carlson once again asks if Putin is afraid of a global war and why not he call the White House and offer negotiations.

“Listen, I already said,” says Putin, sighs heavily and briefly retells the previous two hours.

“The restoration of relations between the peoples of Russia and Ukraine will take a lot of time,” he concludes. And then he tells a strange story about how the Ukrainians said to him "the Russians do not give up."

“I Think That's Great,” Carlson says goodbye to Putin.

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It seems that this interview was disappointed even by those who managed to love him without looking. Margarita Simonyan is sad in the telegram channel: “It is a pity that Tucker did not start a conversation about conservative values. This is his horse - and the boss, first of all, of course. ”

American television channels FOX and CNN did not mention Carlson's interview on the first air after publication.

However, there is no doubt that for several days the entire Russian propaganda machine will be busy cutting fragments of this conversation. Prayerfully repeating that in these two hours something completely phenomenal had happened in the Kremlin’s representative office.

By the way, the story of the cargo-cult sect of the tuka ended very simply. The shaman was arrested and sent from Fiji. A few months later on the island ended the Cargo-Culture itself.