Conversation between Boris Stern and Mikhail Gelfand about issues of evolution, dead ends, problems and ways out of them.Recording and editing by Alexey KudrDear viewers, subscribers of our channel, readers of the newspaper Troitsky Variant - Science. If you like what we do and you want to support us, please use this link http://trv-science.ru/vmeste/. Monthly, albeit insignificant, donations are especially important.Thanks in advance.