Identification of Bourn. The eyes of Antif

In the course of the court in the case of the “combat organization of Russian nationalists” (BORN) - the sensational Nazi organization - more and more interesting details are being stood out. In particular, it became known that the list of victims of the organization should have been much longer. So, for example, Nikita Tikhonov (killer of Stanislav Markelova and Anastasia Baburova) showed that Ilya Goryachev (co -founder Bourne) handed him a list where “there were anti -fascists Fedor Filatov nicknamed“ Fedya ”, Ilya Dzhaparidze, Koba Anvalishvili, Ivan Kostole, Alexei Olesinov, known as well -known "Schoolbar." Under each surname there were passport data and addresses. ” From the "List of Goryachev", Khutorskaya, Filatov and Japaridze were killed by boron.

Alexander Litoy talked with those who survived - Alexei Olesinov, Koba (Dmitry) Anvalishvili and his wife Alina - about the failed attacks by Bourne, the relations of the Nazis with the police and much more.

The Insider:

- Several years have passed, what is the attitude to all these events now? What was it, in general, was the confrontation of the Nazis and Antif? Somehow there are too many corpses for the "wall on the wall."

Aval:

- Yes, of course, it went beyond these borders ... The way I saw it then, and how now is two big differences. Now, watching the trial of the bourgeon, throwing some personal grievances, losses and dramas (I knew four people who were killed by them, three of them are my close friends), looking at the biographies of people from Born, you understand that they are from the same habitat, well, with the exception of Alexei Korshunov, who was clearly a finished psychopath. Some of them lived in Dubna, Akademgorodok. I also have friends in Dubna - on the other side of the barricades ... But what I do not understand. They say: we wanted to influence the migration policy in Russia and therefore killed anti -fascists. How could this affect migration policy? Perhaps they were set on us. Perhaps at some point for some reason they decided that they would be absolutely unpunished.

Schoolbar: - It seems to me that violence on our part was more defensive. Then the ultra -right aggression was largely aimed at different subcultural moments. If this had not been, people would never in their lives take up attacks on the Nazis.

Aval:

- This is obvious. Now there are almost no such actions on their part, and the far -right ones themselves are already worried about few.

(The Insider: Judging by the testimony of Bourne members, the reason for the multi -month surveillance and brutal murder of the anti -fascist Ilya Japaridze was an informational stuffing that Japaridze and Anvalishvili, at the head of the Caucasus group, attacked the sister of Pavel Skachevsky, the Nazi, convicted of a series of murders).

The Insider:

- Where does the story of that you allegedly “beat Skachevsky’s sister”?

Aval:

- Information that Ilya and Ilya attacked Skachevsky’s sister, in 2008 first appeared on the right resources, and then migrated into a different incomprehensible press. I was indicated in this text with passport data, but for some reason under the name of Koba. This is the name given at birth, but Dmitry is written in my passport. The data about me and about Ilya have previously been posted. In principle, they could connect this. But the fact is that there was no episode!

The Insider:

- There was no attack in principle?

Aval:

- If it was even, neither I nor Ilya participated in it. Then I did not even take this stuffing seriously. If the sister of Skachevsky had a conflict with someone, neither a statement, nor did there be no business. And there the news was given that we were detained, accused.

The Insider:

That is, the cops found that Skachevsky’s sister did not write any statement?

Aval:

- Yes. And in general it is unclear whether there was such an attack. How could we know who this sister is? Skachevsky is a young Nazi who killed and became famous when he got into prison. Nobody knew about him before. Skachevsky, this is not Zheleznov, for example, which was in sight, on the Internet, provoked and annoyed the anti -fascists. Neither employees of the ED center, nor other law enforcement officials have never asked me a single question on this story.

(The Insider: The novel “Zyuhel” Zheleznov - Nazis, now fighting in the Ukrainian battalion “Azov”. At the end of the zero lived in Moscow, was engaged in attacks on anti -fascists and collecting information about them).

The Insider:

- Were your passport data on the network before this stuffing?

Aval:

- Yes, but for some reason the name is not from the passport. The name is from the metric. The surname, patronymic and the then address of the registration were correctly indicated. Maybe the name of Koba remains in some telephone databases to which they had access. My photos are clear where the Nazis had: there was a forum in which we posted photos then. They found him and stole photos from there. Then we did not steam about it.

The Insider:

- Plums of addresses on the Internet in the second half of the zero - was it not the work of the cops, but the Nazi's own research?

"Some people were accepted by operatives and photographed in the metro department. And literally a few days later these photos were on Nazi sites"

Schoolbar:

- You can recall the detentions after the action with the laying of flowers at the eternal flame on May 9: then some people were accepted by the operatives and photographed in the metro department. And literally a few days later, these photos were on Nazi sites.

Aval:

- Or in the spring of 2014, the photograph from the detention of Alexei Sutuga appeared on the site, the editor of which used to play in the Nazi group of Moscow, collaborated with the “Russian way” and is mentioned in the case file about the murder of Stanislav Markelov.

The Insider:

- How did you attack you?

Aval:

- It was in December 2008. Two months before, Fedya was killed. I was reduced from work in November - there was a financial crisis - basically I sat at home. The only place where I went stably was the rehearsals of my musical group, which were on Wednesdays. I walked from the house there on foot. Usually, I also left the rehearsal on foot, and other musicians left by car. On that day, the guitarist did not arrive, they pierced his tire. I don’t know if this is a coincidence. We rehearsed the three of them: I, drummer and vocalist. We are the three of us from rehearsal ...

Alina:

- We need to describe the place where all this happened. Their base was at Baumanskaya, at the Factory. The rest of the murders were committed in similar places. A very long house, ends with an arch. In the arch - dark, there are no cameras, there was an attack there.

Aval:

- Five attacked us three. I saw them for 30 meters, it was clear that they would attack. It can be seen that such sports guys are going on, some people have closed. I thought - we’ll beat off. I even clasped with one, tumbled him down ... Only I received stab wounds, six pieces. Apparently, it was saved that I was not alone, a bunch of small began.

Alina:

- It was saved that he was in dense clothes. The long shramik remained on the ribs, in the area of ​​the heart, the knife struck a thick jacket, a sweater and a stretched shirt ... They beat in vital places: light, heart, another blow - to the side ...

Aval:

- The deepest wound - in the right thigh - 7 centimeters. They ran away, I managed to reach the emergency room, there they sewed me up. Already at home I lost consciousness, and an ambulance arrived behind me. I was in the hospital, went out, and a week later Markelov was killed.

Neo -Nazist Ilya Gorchev, co -founder Bourne and founder of the "Russian image"

The Insider:

- From the materials of the case, there is no feeling that the activity of Born and the “Russian image” was coordinated.

Aval:

- Nikita Tikhonov is trying to pole himself, saying that Goryachev manipulated them, but they probably had some kind of general plan. Tikhonov is engaged in combat activities, and Goryachev - political. Tikhonov is the main author of “Strategy 2020”, a text that describes a plan for the development of a radical nationalist movement. I recall the courts in 2008 ... when Lyosha was judged, when there was a sentence ...

The Insider:

- This is when he was supposedly imprisoned for a fight with the security of the Club Club?

Aval:

- Yes, we were outraged. The indictment of our justice is clear, but why could not be released in the courtroom, taking into account the pre -trial detention center, and they gave a year it is not clear for what? One of the people in civilian clothes ...

"Behind the convoy is a man in civilian clothes, slightly slowed down next to us and says:" Say thanks then. If we had not planted him, he would have died "

Alina:

- There are very narrow corridors in the Tagansky district court. Lyosha was led with a convoy, dogs, he is drawn past him, we waved his hand, standing, looking after him. Behind the convoy is a man in civilian clothes, slightly slowed down next to us and says: “Then thank you. If we had not planted him, he would have died. ”

Aval:

- Then it seemed cynical. Why say thanks? What was planted for a year, not two? But while Lesha was sitting, in December 2008 they attacked me, in January 2009 they killed Markelov, in June - Ilya Japaridze, November - Ivan Khutorsky. When Lesha came out, he immediately began to live not at home.

The murdered group Bourn Ivan Khutorsk

The Insider:

The fact that the “Russian image” was supervised by the presidential administration, of course, is obvious, but it somehow does not follow that Bourne’s shares were agreed there.

Schoolbar:

- The traditional scheme was implemented when the authorities use the ultra -right to achieve their goals.

The Insider:

- From which it generally follows that the presidential administration was aware of the murders that Bourne committed? Only from the fact that Goryachev took money there? But there are some left ones that receive money in AP.

Schoolbar:

- But they have nothing to do with street actions. When I was offered similar cooperation, they openly told me: with the left, with the anti -fascists we can’t cooperate. In the “E” center, which approximately then formed, people from the Organization come from, who began to work with politics in the same way as before - with organized crime. They agreed with the Naziki, but with the left - it did not work. And they did, as they used to do in the case of organized crime groups-if someone does not make contact, they need to be demoralized by shooting bright people. In the interests of the EE center, it was not the complete destruction of the street left movement - then they would just stop getting money for it - they were interested in put control.

Aval:

"Eshniki said - some nationalists, smart and good, cooperate with us, hand over their scumbags, and you ..."

- Perhaps they hoped that some kind of left-handed boron would appear in order to besiege his right to besiege. Eshniki also told me-some nationalists, smart and good, cooperate with us, hand over their scumbags, and you ... It is not clear to them how something can exist outside of control. I was especially interested in in 2012, the most important questions for them were then - who is Alexei Gaskarov and who pays us.

The Insider:

“Still, it seems to you that Bourne was set on you?”

Aval:

- They themselves were ready, but there were clearly information stuffing, information assistance.

Alina:

- Recently, an interview with Zakayev was published, dedicated to the 20th anniversary of the Chechen war. There he tells very similar things -it was tired so that the Chechens themselves were killed by each other, and they could be subordinated. There is a feeling that about the same thing happened to us.

Aval:

- True, we have brought them strongly. We did not make our boron, but the action with the Khimki administration, participated in swamp protests - these cops were outraged, and we received a series of criminal cases. The cops, of course, have a backward strategy. Modern European - involve everyone in a common circus, and everyone will be satisfied. I understand that this is a circus, but I like it more. There are right -wing parties, there are left -wing parties, there are centrists ... This, of course, is the society of the performance, but there is no such hatred and murders.

Antifa action at the Khimki administration

Alina:

And with us - you are not in the game at all, you must kill each other, and we will download oil.

Schoolbar:

And another important point. What did the Manezhka show? The far -right ones from the authorities do not want anything. They are ready to ask from the "Jews", "Masons", immigrants, "reptiloids", liberals. From anyone other than power. And the left - exclusively from the authorities.

Aval:

"Ten thousand people from the Kremlin! We would have carried Lenin out of the mausoleum and put in the Kremlin! And they beat passers -by and broke the Christmas tree"

-The thousand thousand people in the Kremlin! We would take Lenin out of the mausoleum and put in the Kremlin! And they beat passers -by and broke the Christmas tree. 300 people at the administration of the Himki made more.

The Insider:

- Born - was it one group, or can it be assumed that several groups of the Nazis hunted for anti -fascists using the general address of addresses?

Aval:

- There were anti -fascists who annoyed them more. Apparently, leaders were interested. I can’t consider myself to be the leaders, I was very young then, but, due to my relaxation, my data was on the Internet.

Alina:

- Well, how do you remember, this stupid article was, in Newsweek, in my opinion, where you, like a “barn aal,” were just one of the leaders.

Aval:

- It seemed to me that any activity related to anti -fascism is useful in the context of Russian history. And why then hide? Some naivety was present. Maybe I flaunted it ...

Alina:

- Brawed, how else.

Aval:

- I was a musician who spoke of anti-fascism, gave an interview for films, became a famous Internet office. Ilya Japaridze was also identified, also talked a lot on the Internet, was also very naive, like me. Well, and we have Georgian surnames. At the time of the murder, Ilya had never appeared anywhere for six months, he did not deal with any anti -fascist affairs. He was interested in the creation of an apolitical football company Dynamo fans.

The Insider:

- In the case file of the Bourn case, the accused testify that they were interested in Japaridze’s connection with Dynamo fans. Indications, however, are very confused. And there was another version that he and Eugenia Hasis went to one sports club.

(The Insider: Evgenia Hasis is the cohabitant of Nikita Tikhonov, is serving a deadline for complicity in the murder of Markelov and Baburova).

Aval:

- Yes, both of them were engaged in Thai boxing in the Club "Square". But whether they crossed there, especially if Ilya tried to take care of her is unknown.

The Insider:

- It was not so easy to recognize the Nazi to Hasis, given the obvious Semitic features ...

Aval:

- Ilya had a girl at that time.

The Insider:

- Still, one group or several watched the anti-fascists?

Schoolbar:

And what, there were others, who was engaged in such things? There were no. And on our part there was no such thing. Yes, we fought, including with knives and injuries, but there was never this so that someone purposefully went to kill.

The Insider:

- Dima, in addition to this attack, have you seen the danger in something else?

Aval:

- Already in 2012, when we had a search about the fight at the air club , when we tried to attract Alina as the accused and did not attract, we went home on Friday after the concert with friends in order to sit a little. We go with packages from the store ...

Alina:

- The trashologist Meryl: we were shot at two meters eighty centimeters from a distance of two meters. We go with packages, relaxed. Clapping are heard due to parked cars-we think firecrackers. At first two, then still ... we turn around, we see a person in a hood, we see the flashes of the shots. We ran in the scatter, rushed around the yards, only in the entrance we realized that Dima had passed the tangent in the back of the head, and I had characteristic dents on my jacket. Then they found that they shot us from traumatics, from Magnum. The attacker shot almost all the clip, and then the gun jammed. These are hardly bones. It was more like intimidation in the Air case, where we gave testimony in favor of the accused. And intimidation precisely because if the shooter really wanted to, we would have stayed with injuries, it could only be smeared on purpose. And plus we were driving from a concert by car, we could not track us down the metro.

The Insider:

- Have you been officially interrogated in the Born case?

Aval:

This is strange. When I was attacked, I said in the police, who I am, that I, the investigator recorded the sites where my photos hung. Three months later, they called to compile a photobot. They showed the “Extremist base”, where there were also anti -fascists, including several of my friends - they asked if they attacked me. I say: at least divide the base ... It was on Petrovka.

Schoolbar:

- When they killed Ivan <Khutorsky>, I was called for interrogation. The only thing that was interested in the moron-investigator was not our internal showdowns.

The Insider:

- Did you feel surveillance when he became the "hero of the Internet" ?

Schoolbar:

- In 2008, they tried to catch at the entrance, the calls were incomprehensible.

The Insider:

- How do you feel about the Schoolbar brand now?

Aval:

- In my opinion, it is obvious that Lesha paid for this “brand” in full, and he brought more losses than dividends.

Alina:

- We are not thirty more, but from all this we feel deeply old, tired, exhausted by people.

Schoolbar:

- And why were all these victims? I look at the young shoot of anti -fascists and I understand that you can’t cook porridge with many. The general anti -fascist scene is no longer, but there are imbeciles that hide behind this. And as before the “Brenda School”, I can say, I didn’t cut anyone, did not shoot, did not do anything of a bastard, vile, unworthy. He never collaborated with the authorities. What else do I think?

The Insider:

- The main goal of the defendants in the BORN case is now not to leave for life ...

"Both we and they became hostages of the lack of politics in Russia"

Aval:

- They also understood what they did and did not repent. Why did they kill Ilya? He was no longer related to anti -fascism, and killed him with such cruelty - 4 shots in the head, 26 stab wounds ... Although we and they became hostages of the lack of politics in Russia. Если бы у нас был хотя бы спектакль демократии, всего этого, наверное, не было бы.

Шкобарь:

- Те, кто идет на контакт с властными структурами, с правонарушительными органами, делают для них грязную работу, должны быть готовы к тому, что в один момент их обязательно кинут, спишут со счетов.